1 00:00:29,546 --> 00:00:33,378 [typewriter keys clacking] 2 00:00:33,412 --> 00:00:36,208 [gentle music] 3 00:00:40,730 --> 00:00:42,594 [keboard keys clacking] 4 00:00:42,628 --> 00:00:43,767 [gentle music] 5 00:00:43,802 --> 00:00:45,907 - You know, after months of anticipation, 6 00:00:45,942 --> 00:00:47,392 the US government finally released 7 00:00:47,426 --> 00:00:49,704 their report on UFOs late Friday. 8 00:00:49,739 --> 00:00:52,293 But it didn't answer the question. 9 00:00:52,328 --> 00:00:55,262 What are those mysterious flying objects 10 00:00:55,296 --> 00:00:57,816 spotted by US Military pilots in recent years? 11 00:00:57,850 --> 00:01:01,268 [gentle upbeat music] 12 00:01:54,562 --> 00:01:58,911 - I am here to discuss the so-called flying saucers. 13 00:01:58,946 --> 00:02:02,329 We have as of date come to only one firm conclusion, 14 00:02:03,537 --> 00:02:06,367 with respect to this remaining percentage. 15 00:02:06,402 --> 00:02:11,372 And that is that it does not contain any pattern of purpose, 16 00:02:12,580 --> 00:02:15,342 or of consistency that we can relate with - 17 00:02:15,376 --> 00:02:18,345 to any conceivable threat to the United States. 18 00:02:20,036 --> 00:02:24,420 We can say that the recent sightings are in no way connected 19 00:02:24,454 --> 00:02:26,042 with any secret development 20 00:02:26,076 --> 00:02:28,424 by any department of the United States. 21 00:02:32,393 --> 00:02:33,843 - [Interviewer] Major Keyhoe, 22 00:02:33,877 --> 00:02:36,984 as author of the book, "Flying Saucers Are Real" 23 00:02:37,018 --> 00:02:39,573 what is your opinion of these new sightings 24 00:02:39,607 --> 00:02:41,540 of unidentified objects? 25 00:02:41,575 --> 00:02:42,955 - With all due respect to the Air Force, 26 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:44,854 I believe that some of them will prove to be 27 00:02:44,888 --> 00:02:46,856 of interplanetary origin. 28 00:02:46,890 --> 00:02:49,721 [dramatic music] 29 00:03:05,702 --> 00:03:07,014 - My name is John Ramirez 30 00:03:07,048 --> 00:03:10,811 and I served at CIA from 1984 to 2009. 31 00:03:10,845 --> 00:03:14,815 I had a 25 year career and it culminated 32 00:03:14,849 --> 00:03:17,404 in me receiving the Career Intelligence Medal 33 00:03:17,438 --> 00:03:18,991 for my service. 34 00:03:19,026 --> 00:03:21,201 And I started at CIA 35 00:03:21,235 --> 00:03:23,996 in the Directorate of Science and Technology, 36 00:03:24,031 --> 00:03:26,102 in the signals intelligence field 37 00:03:26,136 --> 00:03:29,519 with the specialty of electronic intelligence. 38 00:03:29,554 --> 00:03:31,141 And later transferred over 39 00:03:31,176 --> 00:03:34,559 to the Directorate of Intelligence, 40 00:03:34,593 --> 00:03:37,769 where I was a Weapons Intelligence Analyst for Russian 41 00:03:37,803 --> 00:03:41,566 and ballistic missile defense systems and radars. 42 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,845 I got interested in UFOs at a very young age. 43 00:03:45,777 --> 00:03:48,504 When I was four-years-old, 44 00:03:48,538 --> 00:03:51,817 I saw through my very first telescope 45 00:03:51,852 --> 00:03:55,752 and I saw the wonders in the skies, the moon, the stars. 46 00:03:55,787 --> 00:03:59,239 And I just felt like that's where my real home was, 47 00:03:59,273 --> 00:04:01,655 that I belonged out there. 48 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:03,691 And this was before the space program. 49 00:04:03,726 --> 00:04:07,799 So I wasn't really influenced by Project Mercury 50 00:04:07,833 --> 00:04:10,595 and the original seven astronauts of NASA. 51 00:04:10,629 --> 00:04:11,699 This was before then 52 00:04:11,734 --> 00:04:16,946 that I felt like my destiny, my future, even my past 53 00:04:17,912 --> 00:04:19,983 was out in space. 54 00:04:20,018 --> 00:04:22,883 [gentle music] 55 00:04:23,918 --> 00:04:25,851 - My name is Richard Doty, 56 00:04:25,886 --> 00:04:27,543 I was a counterintelligence officer 57 00:04:27,577 --> 00:04:29,510 for the United States Air Force Office 58 00:04:29,545 --> 00:04:31,650 of Special Investigations. 59 00:04:31,685 --> 00:04:36,690 I served in that role from 1978 until 1988. 60 00:04:37,622 --> 00:04:39,037 During my time as a counterintelligence officer 61 00:04:39,071 --> 00:04:42,730 with the Air Force, I conducted investigations 62 00:04:42,765 --> 00:04:46,769 into the unidentified flying object phenomena. 63 00:04:47,804 --> 00:04:50,807 Before that, of course I had been briefed into the program 64 00:04:50,842 --> 00:04:55,122 and during my time at Kirtland Air Force Base, 65 00:04:55,156 --> 00:04:58,125 I gained access to a special access program, 66 00:04:58,159 --> 00:05:00,955 which dealt with the United States government's 67 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:05,995 investigation into the UFO and ET phenomenon. 68 00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:10,827 And during that briefing, I learned about Roswell. 69 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:14,693 The first part of the briefing pertained to how we, 70 00:05:14,728 --> 00:05:16,592 the United States government, 71 00:05:16,626 --> 00:05:18,145 had made our first contact 72 00:05:18,179 --> 00:05:21,666 with an extraterrestrial being and craft. 73 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:24,082 And that was at Roswell, New Mexico. 74 00:05:24,116 --> 00:05:26,740 What I was told during this briefing 75 00:05:26,774 --> 00:05:29,743 was that two unidentified crafts, 76 00:05:29,777 --> 00:05:32,849 later identified as extraterrestrial crafts, 77 00:05:32,884 --> 00:05:36,922 were flying around New Mexico on a mission, 78 00:05:36,957 --> 00:05:39,960 some type of reconnaissance mission we think, 79 00:05:39,994 --> 00:05:41,824 and they collided. 80 00:05:41,858 --> 00:05:43,791 Now that's a big controversy 81 00:05:43,826 --> 00:05:47,899 because if you stop and think of an alien craft 82 00:05:47,933 --> 00:05:51,696 coming 40 lightiyears away, 83 00:05:51,730 --> 00:05:54,940 and they coming into our atmosphere and they collide, 84 00:05:54,975 --> 00:05:56,701 how can that happen? 85 00:05:56,735 --> 00:05:58,944 [UFO crashing] 86 00:05:58,979 --> 00:06:00,670 - During a three year investigation, 87 00:06:00,705 --> 00:06:02,327 I found that many pilots 88 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:05,606 have described objects of substance at high speed. 89 00:06:05,641 --> 00:06:08,022 One case, pilots reported their plane was buffeted 90 00:06:08,057 --> 00:06:11,094 by an object which passed them at 500 miles an hour. 91 00:06:11,129 --> 00:06:12,855 Obviously this was a solid object 92 00:06:12,889 --> 00:06:15,685 and I believe it was from outer space. 93 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,963 [eerie music] 94 00:06:21,864 --> 00:06:23,900 [birds chirping] 95 00:06:23,935 --> 00:06:25,868 - My name is Tom Carey 96 00:06:25,902 --> 00:06:30,044 and I'm a native of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 97 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:35,084 Somewhere along the line after I was graduated from college 98 00:06:36,257 --> 00:06:38,915 and spent four years in the Air Force, 99 00:06:39,916 --> 00:06:44,231 I became re-interested in the subject of UFOs 100 00:06:44,265 --> 00:06:48,684 because I had heard something about a incident 101 00:06:50,133 --> 00:06:52,066 called the Roswell incident. 102 00:06:52,101 --> 00:06:56,968 And I read the book and it just blew me away. 103 00:06:57,002 --> 00:07:00,074 So to become active in the field, 104 00:07:00,109 --> 00:07:04,872 I joined MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, 105 00:07:04,907 --> 00:07:08,358 just to receive their monthly journal that they print. 106 00:07:08,393 --> 00:07:10,084 Well, the next thing I know, 107 00:07:10,119 --> 00:07:14,088 I'm the state section director for Southeastern Pennsylvania 108 00:07:14,123 --> 00:07:18,092 in charge of investigating local UFO cases. 109 00:07:18,127 --> 00:07:20,888 I wound up investigating local cases 110 00:07:20,923 --> 00:07:24,133 in the Philadelphia area, five county area. 111 00:07:24,167 --> 00:07:27,412 And I learned that there were these two fellas, 112 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:30,311 Kevin Randall and Donald Schmidt, 113 00:07:30,346 --> 00:07:33,176 were reopening the Roswell case, 114 00:07:33,211 --> 00:07:38,216 which had sort of laid dormant for well, initially 30 years. 115 00:07:39,355 --> 00:07:43,393 It was a two day story back in 1947. 116 00:07:43,428 --> 00:07:46,086 It was a flying saucer, no, it was a weather balloon. 117 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,397 It was a two day story. 118 00:07:47,432 --> 00:07:51,125 And these two fellas Randall and Schmidt 119 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,783 were reopening the Roswell case. 120 00:07:54,715 --> 00:07:58,270 And part of that story was that the crash 121 00:07:58,305 --> 00:08:02,067 was discovered by a group of archeologists 122 00:08:02,102 --> 00:08:04,000 from the University of Pennsylvania. 123 00:08:05,105 --> 00:08:07,763 Well, I have a degree in anthropology, 124 00:08:07,797 --> 00:08:10,041 I'm a trained physical anthropologist, 125 00:08:10,075 --> 00:08:13,285 I went for a doctorate in physical anthropology. 126 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,219 That's how I became a, quote unquote, 127 00:08:16,254 --> 00:08:18,463 active investigator on the case. 128 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:21,155 'Cause this is like 1991 now. 129 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:23,088 So I joined the Randall and Schmidt team 130 00:08:23,123 --> 00:08:26,091 looking for the archeologists. 131 00:08:26,126 --> 00:08:29,439 And since then I've expanded my interest in the case 132 00:08:29,474 --> 00:08:32,097 and became an investigator, 133 00:08:32,132 --> 00:08:37,137 now 31 years on this one case, the Roswell case, 134 00:08:37,931 --> 00:08:41,072 and we have found over 600 witnesses, 135 00:08:41,106 --> 00:08:43,177 first and secondhand on the case. 136 00:08:43,212 --> 00:08:48,217 Now during our investigation, we learned many things, 137 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:53,843 certainly some things about the government involvement 138 00:08:53,878 --> 00:08:56,121 in suppressing this case. 139 00:08:56,156 --> 00:08:58,986 [dramatic music] 140 00:09:01,195 --> 00:09:05,165 - I was hired into the Directorate of Science of Technology 141 00:09:05,199 --> 00:09:09,031 as what is known an ELINT analyst, 142 00:09:09,065 --> 00:09:12,172 or electronic intelligence analyst. 143 00:09:12,206 --> 00:09:14,484 My job was to analyze 144 00:09:14,519 --> 00:09:18,765 the Russian ballistic missile defense system and its radars 145 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:20,042 associated with that system. 146 00:09:20,076 --> 00:09:24,149 That job then entailed looking at the targets 147 00:09:24,184 --> 00:09:26,531 that the Russians were interested in. 148 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:30,155 And so through that avenue, 149 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:35,195 I was able to understand the workings of the Russian radars 150 00:09:36,541 --> 00:09:39,475 designed to look for ballistic missile launches, 151 00:09:39,509 --> 00:09:42,064 designed to look for satellites. 152 00:09:42,098 --> 00:09:46,240 In a course of my work at CIA in that field, 153 00:09:47,552 --> 00:09:50,175 there was a time when the Russians 154 00:09:50,210 --> 00:09:53,075 were very interested in targets 155 00:09:53,109 --> 00:09:57,044 that were not ballistic missiles and not satellites. 156 00:09:57,079 --> 00:10:00,151 They eliminated these two targets, 157 00:10:00,185 --> 00:10:01,980 especially the ballistic missiles, 158 00:10:02,015 --> 00:10:03,568 there was no surprise attack. 159 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:08,780 However, because they detected objects that were unusual, 160 00:10:09,954 --> 00:10:10,886 they went into a high state of readiness. 161 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,542 Their strategic rocket forces 162 00:10:12,577 --> 00:10:15,511 went into a state of readiness. 163 00:10:15,545 --> 00:10:20,102 Which we then detected and was of a concern to us. 164 00:10:20,136 --> 00:10:21,172 They did stand down 165 00:10:22,587 --> 00:10:25,279 and they did their own analysis of what happened. 166 00:10:26,349 --> 00:10:31,147 And we did our analysis of what the Russians detected 167 00:10:32,183 --> 00:10:34,150 and it appeared that there were objects of interest 168 00:10:34,185 --> 00:10:35,427 to the Russians 169 00:10:37,084 --> 00:10:40,916 that warranted a high state of readiness on their part. 170 00:10:40,950 --> 00:10:42,503 So I wrote a memorandum 171 00:10:42,538 --> 00:10:47,543 for the then Deputy Secretary of Defense, John Deutch, 172 00:10:48,406 --> 00:10:50,132 about these radar systems 173 00:10:50,166 --> 00:10:52,030 going into a high state of readiness 174 00:10:52,065 --> 00:10:53,998 because of objects that they tracked. 175 00:10:55,171 --> 00:10:58,071 And described that they were not satellites 176 00:10:58,105 --> 00:11:00,452 and they were not of course ballistic missiles. 177 00:11:00,487 --> 00:11:05,181 But it could have been a test of the system, 178 00:11:05,216 --> 00:11:08,495 it could have been a training segment 179 00:11:08,529 --> 00:11:12,050 for their personnel running these radar systems. 180 00:11:12,085 --> 00:11:15,088 These are like plausible kind of explanations. 181 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:18,539 But later I learned that what they detected 182 00:11:18,574 --> 00:11:20,852 were these orbs or objects 183 00:11:22,026 --> 00:11:26,064 that were flying over Russian airspace 184 00:11:26,099 --> 00:11:28,308 from the Arctic Circle. 185 00:11:28,342 --> 00:11:31,207 And so to understand these radar systems 186 00:11:31,242 --> 00:11:34,659 are in the periphery of Russia, 187 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,489 looking for threatening targets. 188 00:11:37,524 --> 00:11:40,182 And when they find a satellite system 189 00:11:40,216 --> 00:11:42,287 and it matches up to a known satellite, 190 00:11:42,322 --> 00:11:43,495 they'll drop the target 191 00:11:43,530 --> 00:11:46,153 and keep continuing to scan the horizon. 192 00:11:47,292 --> 00:11:49,225 Well, in this instance, 193 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:52,953 what popped up over the horizon flew very fast. 194 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:57,406 And under intelligent control 195 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,167 with intent to go to a destination, 196 00:12:00,202 --> 00:12:02,204 and it was not aircraft, 197 00:12:02,238 --> 00:12:06,070 it was not any kind of missile test. 198 00:12:06,104 --> 00:12:10,350 This prompted the Russians to investigate this even further. 199 00:12:11,385 --> 00:12:14,112 [eerie music] 200 00:12:25,675 --> 00:12:28,506 [birds chirping] 201 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,060 - My name's Jesse Peak. 202 00:12:31,095 --> 00:12:32,441 And I'm a MUFON field investigator 203 00:12:32,475 --> 00:12:33,649 in the state of Pennsylvania, 204 00:12:33,683 --> 00:12:35,720 city of Philadelphia, section one. 205 00:12:36,583 --> 00:12:40,276 MUFON is a big worldwide organization 206 00:12:40,311 --> 00:12:42,658 that investigates the UFO phenomenon 207 00:12:42,692 --> 00:12:45,178 to scientifically help humanity. 208 00:12:45,212 --> 00:12:47,421 We've been doing this since 1967 209 00:12:47,456 --> 00:12:50,321 and we have MUFON field investigators worldwide, 210 00:12:50,355 --> 00:12:52,012 not just here in the United States. 211 00:12:52,047 --> 00:12:55,429 And we break down all kinds of different investigations 212 00:12:55,464 --> 00:12:58,639 that are done and reported to us, of UFO sightings, 213 00:12:58,674 --> 00:13:01,263 experiencer reports, abduction reports. 214 00:13:01,297 --> 00:13:03,403 I also work with the ERT team, 215 00:13:03,437 --> 00:13:05,750 which is the Experiencer Resource Team for MUFON. 216 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:08,339 So if you had an experience, you can report that, 217 00:13:08,373 --> 00:13:10,306 fill out a questionnaire and we'll actually help you 218 00:13:10,341 --> 00:13:12,446 and walk you through in trying to find answers 219 00:13:12,481 --> 00:13:14,345 to what you had in your experience. 220 00:13:14,379 --> 00:13:17,106 So I joined MUFON in 2019, and a big part 221 00:13:17,141 --> 00:13:19,315 of where that field investigator 222 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:21,076 feeling inside me comes from, 223 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:22,767 I was actually in the Army National Guard, 224 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:25,183 so I'm very familiar with chain of command. 225 00:13:25,218 --> 00:13:27,599 I was with 13 Bravo, Artillery County crew member. 226 00:13:27,634 --> 00:13:30,602 I did my time at Oklahoma, Fort Sill. 227 00:13:30,637 --> 00:13:32,018 And I was stationed 228 00:13:32,052 --> 00:13:33,329 in the Pennsylvania National Guard branch 229 00:13:33,364 --> 00:13:35,090 on Southampton Road. 230 00:13:35,124 --> 00:13:37,471 So I'm very familiar with signing NDAs, 231 00:13:37,506 --> 00:13:39,439 non-disclosure agreements, 232 00:13:39,473 --> 00:13:42,511 working with the chain of command like we do in MUFON. 233 00:13:42,545 --> 00:13:45,134 We know that, you know, it's only need to know 234 00:13:45,169 --> 00:13:47,274 sort of situations where, you know, 235 00:13:47,309 --> 00:13:50,760 you don't ask unless you're offered to know. 236 00:13:50,795 --> 00:13:53,349 I've worked with plenty of people in the intelligence field 237 00:13:53,384 --> 00:13:55,765 and people that have worked in the DOD the DIA, 238 00:13:57,767 --> 00:14:00,287 working with them probably on a weekly basis 239 00:14:00,322 --> 00:14:02,634 throughout MUFON, I met a lot of people that way. 240 00:14:02,669 --> 00:14:05,396 I mean, we know that the government can keep secrets 241 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:06,604 in the intelligence field. 242 00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:08,709 We look back at the Manhattan Project 243 00:14:08,744 --> 00:14:11,851 and that was 130,000 people that worked on that project. 244 00:14:11,885 --> 00:14:15,371 $2 billion of US money went to that project. 245 00:14:15,406 --> 00:14:18,478 And not one of those people leaked that project whatsoever. 246 00:14:18,512 --> 00:14:20,480 So we know that the intelligence community 247 00:14:20,514 --> 00:14:22,102 can keep a secret. 248 00:14:22,137 --> 00:14:24,173 I mean, they had been doing it since Roswell, 249 00:14:24,208 --> 00:14:27,107 I mean, 75 years, 75 plus years 250 00:14:27,142 --> 00:14:29,385 of keeping secrets of this UFO phenomenon. 251 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:32,526 And just now, recently, we're starting to have people 252 00:14:32,561 --> 00:14:34,114 in the Congress, senators 253 00:14:34,149 --> 00:14:35,357 that are starting to make new amendments, 254 00:14:35,391 --> 00:14:37,566 the Gillibrand-Rubio Amendment, 255 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,464 that's been coming out. 256 00:14:39,499 --> 00:14:40,810 Chris Carson, another senator, 257 00:14:40,845 --> 00:14:43,365 they're all fighting for disclosure to come forward, 258 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:45,436 to give us this information finally. 259 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:47,610 And usually NASA falls in line with that, 260 00:14:47,645 --> 00:14:50,234 with the government in not telling these secrets like this, 261 00:14:50,268 --> 00:14:53,340 but now Bill Nelson has been coming out 262 00:14:53,375 --> 00:14:55,411 and his scientists have been pushing 263 00:14:55,446 --> 00:14:58,483 the intelligence community to give them that information, 264 00:14:58,518 --> 00:15:00,658 so we can actually scientifically look at this 265 00:15:00,692 --> 00:15:02,384 the proper way. 266 00:15:02,418 --> 00:15:04,420 The intelligence community knows what they're doing. 267 00:15:04,455 --> 00:15:06,457 They are slowly getting little leaks here, 268 00:15:06,491 --> 00:15:08,424 but can we trust those leaks? 269 00:15:08,459 --> 00:15:09,563 People come out the woodwork saying, 270 00:15:09,598 --> 00:15:11,738 "Yeah, I'm ex-intelligence, I used to do this and that, 271 00:15:11,772 --> 00:15:13,533 worked at the Pentagon." 272 00:15:13,567 --> 00:15:15,673 Even people that say they worked with NASA back in the day, 273 00:15:15,707 --> 00:15:17,364 they come out and they start 274 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:20,471 disclosing a little bit of information here and there. 275 00:15:20,505 --> 00:15:23,508 But their job was trained to be an intelligence officer, 276 00:15:23,543 --> 00:15:26,270 so they're the best liars trained in the world. 277 00:15:26,304 --> 00:15:29,480 And I know this from being in the military myself. 278 00:15:29,514 --> 00:15:31,206 If we had to say what we had to say 279 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,554 'cause it was gonna be on the books or in a video somewhere, 280 00:15:34,588 --> 00:15:37,453 of course we had to be the ones to go along with it 281 00:15:37,488 --> 00:15:38,592 and say what had to be said, 282 00:15:38,627 --> 00:15:40,422 whether it was the truth or not. 283 00:15:40,456 --> 00:15:42,493 I've seen people do that all the time. 284 00:15:42,527 --> 00:15:45,599 I mean, it happens every day, especially in Congress. 285 00:15:45,634 --> 00:15:48,533 And you see people talking about it, stuff in the Pentagon. 286 00:15:51,226 --> 00:15:52,330 - During that timeframe 287 00:15:52,365 --> 00:15:57,335 that the Roswell incident happened in July of 1947, 288 00:15:58,267 --> 00:16:02,478 we had a very serious lightning storm in New Mexico, 289 00:16:03,548 --> 00:16:04,377 in central part of New Mexico. 290 00:16:04,411 --> 00:16:06,413 And anybody that's been in New Mexico 291 00:16:06,448 --> 00:16:09,658 knows that lightning storms can be vicious. 292 00:16:09,692 --> 00:16:12,730 Now these two crafts were flying 293 00:16:12,764 --> 00:16:16,734 in the central part of New Mexico and they collided. 294 00:16:16,768 --> 00:16:21,359 One landed or crashed near Corona, New Mexico. 295 00:16:21,394 --> 00:16:25,708 The other craft crashed west of Socorro near Horse Mesa. 296 00:16:27,331 --> 00:16:30,575 The craft that that landed near Corona, New Mexico 297 00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:33,682 was discovered by an archeological team, 298 00:16:35,753 --> 00:16:38,342 a few hours after the craft crashed. 299 00:16:39,584 --> 00:16:43,623 Now we talk about the debris field 300 00:16:43,657 --> 00:16:47,592 that was found by on the Brazos Ranch. 301 00:16:47,627 --> 00:16:50,837 That debris field was part of the craft 302 00:16:50,871 --> 00:16:53,495 that crashed in Corona, 303 00:16:53,529 --> 00:16:57,637 it was the antenna section of that craft. 304 00:16:57,671 --> 00:17:01,261 But the actual craft was recovered pretty much intact 305 00:17:01,296 --> 00:17:03,884 by the Army Air Force. 306 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:06,991 And I remember during that time period, 1947, 307 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:08,889 the United States Air Force didn't exist. 308 00:17:08,924 --> 00:17:13,480 That didn't come into play, not until September of 1947. 309 00:17:13,515 --> 00:17:16,656 But the Army Air Force was responsible 310 00:17:16,690 --> 00:17:20,901 for collecting the debris and the bodies. 311 00:17:20,936 --> 00:17:25,837 The bodies were taken initially to Roswell Army Airfield 312 00:17:25,872 --> 00:17:28,806 and then onto Los Alamos. 313 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,707 One live ET was found in the crash at Corona. 314 00:17:35,709 --> 00:17:38,816 He was given the identification of EBE 315 00:17:38,850 --> 00:17:40,956 or Extraterrestrial Biological Entity. 316 00:17:42,302 --> 00:17:44,994 And he stayed alive from 1947 to 1952 317 00:17:45,029 --> 00:17:47,445 when he died in our captivity. 318 00:17:48,377 --> 00:17:51,863 The second craft crashed out near Horse Mesa, 319 00:17:51,898 --> 00:17:55,522 but that craft wasn't founded until 1949. 320 00:17:55,557 --> 00:18:00,562 A rancher moving his cattle from a lower grazing range 321 00:18:01,563 --> 00:18:04,635 to a higher grazing range, discovered that craft, 322 00:18:04,669 --> 00:18:08,708 in the late fall of 1949. 323 00:18:08,742 --> 00:18:12,677 Now this area of Western New Mexico in Catron County 324 00:18:12,712 --> 00:18:14,472 is extremely remote. 325 00:18:16,060 --> 00:18:17,475 The only people 326 00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:20,064 that would frequent that area would be ranchers. 327 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:24,103 And this rancher went up there to move his cattle 328 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:25,725 and discovered the craft. 329 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:28,072 He had no idea what this craft was. 330 00:18:29,694 --> 00:18:32,939 He eventually contacted the Catron County Sheriffs 331 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:36,977 some days later, 'cause it took him some days to get away. 332 00:18:37,012 --> 00:18:38,703 It took about five days for the sheriff 333 00:18:38,738 --> 00:18:41,810 to make it out there, to look at the craft 334 00:18:41,844 --> 00:18:44,537 and figured it was something that he couldn't identify. 335 00:18:44,571 --> 00:18:49,438 Immediately they notified the Air Force at Kirtland Field. 336 00:18:49,473 --> 00:18:51,613 They came out, recovered the crash. 337 00:18:51,647 --> 00:18:55,375 Unfortunately all the occupants of the craft 338 00:18:55,410 --> 00:18:58,689 at Horse Mesa were dead, their bodies were deteriorated. 339 00:18:58,723 --> 00:19:02,900 So that's in essence, the basics of the Roswell craft 340 00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:07,939 crash sites that I was told by the United States government. 341 00:19:09,078 --> 00:19:11,943 Now I have no reason to think 342 00:19:11,978 --> 00:19:14,843 that what I was told during that time is not true. 343 00:19:14,877 --> 00:19:18,812 I think everything that that I just stated is factual 344 00:19:19,744 --> 00:19:22,885 by the United States government's knowledge. 345 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,716 [eerie music] 346 00:19:28,822 --> 00:19:33,068 - So the headline goes out on July the 8th, 1947, 347 00:19:33,102 --> 00:19:35,760 that the Roswell Army Airfield 348 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:40,731 had recovered a flying saucer. 349 00:19:41,766 --> 00:19:44,424 Well, somewhere along the line, 350 00:19:44,459 --> 00:19:46,599 the government did not like that. 351 00:19:46,633 --> 00:19:50,465 And very quickly they changed the story 352 00:19:50,499 --> 00:19:52,087 to kill it in the press, 353 00:19:52,121 --> 00:19:56,747 that it wasn't a spaceship, but a weather balloon. 354 00:19:56,781 --> 00:19:58,852 Now they would have been better off if they said, 355 00:19:58,887 --> 00:20:02,028 "Well, it was one of our high tech latest fighter jets 356 00:20:02,062 --> 00:20:03,443 that had crashed." 357 00:20:03,478 --> 00:20:05,204 But they said it was a weather balloon. 358 00:20:05,238 --> 00:20:10,416 And so they suppressed the story in the newspaper. 359 00:20:11,658 --> 00:20:13,798 So they took care of the press. 360 00:20:15,455 --> 00:20:18,803 Now what about the airmen at Roswell? 361 00:20:18,838 --> 00:20:22,945 They knew, I mean, the story went around like wildfire 362 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:25,810 and everybody on the base knew what happened. 363 00:20:25,845 --> 00:20:29,780 So they threatened the airmen, 364 00:20:29,814 --> 00:20:31,782 holding these meetings in their hangers, 365 00:20:31,816 --> 00:20:34,923 "Okay, fellas, you wanna know more about 366 00:20:34,957 --> 00:20:37,857 what you think happened around here?" 367 00:20:37,891 --> 00:20:40,169 "Okay, if you want to read more about it, 368 00:20:40,204 --> 00:20:43,172 you can read about it in Leavenworth Prison." 369 00:20:43,207 --> 00:20:46,659 So they threatened the airmen to keep quiet 370 00:20:46,693 --> 00:20:50,179 or else they'd wind up in Leavenworth. 371 00:20:50,214 --> 00:20:52,872 Now what about the civilians? 372 00:20:52,906 --> 00:20:57,186 What about the civilians that had gotten to the crash site 373 00:20:57,221 --> 00:20:58,912 before the military? 374 00:20:58,947 --> 00:21:00,604 And we know that they did. 375 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:06,265 Now there was no martial law, 376 00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:08,957 they did not declare martial law. 377 00:21:08,991 --> 00:21:11,615 There was no emergency like, you know, 378 00:21:11,649 --> 00:21:13,824 an invasion or anything like that, 379 00:21:13,858 --> 00:21:17,862 where the Military could take over the town. 380 00:21:17,897 --> 00:21:21,556 But they de facto did take over the town 381 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:23,834 and they started threatening the witnesses 382 00:21:23,868 --> 00:21:26,561 who knew what had happened, had been to the site, 383 00:21:26,595 --> 00:21:27,907 had seen the crash 384 00:21:27,941 --> 00:21:30,875 and especially had seen the little bodies. 385 00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:33,637 They threatened the civilian population, 386 00:21:33,671 --> 00:21:37,503 and there were a lot of them, with death. 387 00:21:37,537 --> 00:21:39,781 They said, "If you talk about this, 388 00:21:39,815 --> 00:21:41,955 we're not only going to kill you, 389 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:44,510 we're going to kill your whole family." 390 00:21:44,544 --> 00:21:47,133 [dramatic music] 391 00:21:51,758 --> 00:21:53,070 [birds chirping] 392 00:21:53,104 --> 00:21:54,692 - My name's Eric Mintel. 393 00:21:54,727 --> 00:21:57,937 I am the founder of Bucks County Paranormal Investigations, 394 00:21:57,971 --> 00:21:59,939 also Eric Mintel Investigates, 395 00:21:59,973 --> 00:22:04,771 and for years there's always been so many great stories 396 00:22:04,806 --> 00:22:08,016 of ghosts, UFOs, everything paranormal, 397 00:22:08,050 --> 00:22:10,018 here in Bucks County and beyond. 398 00:22:10,052 --> 00:22:14,919 And I briefly joined MUFON back in, I think, 2009 399 00:22:16,369 --> 00:22:19,959 when we had a huge UFO flap here in Bucks County in 2008, 400 00:22:19,993 --> 00:22:22,858 with many, many, I mean, thousands of people 401 00:22:22,893 --> 00:22:24,343 were seeing these objects 402 00:22:24,377 --> 00:22:26,103 and a lot of video evidence and whatnot. 403 00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:29,865 So I became a field investigator for a short period of time. 404 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:34,249 Going back to Roswell, 1947, and you know, 405 00:22:34,283 --> 00:22:37,804 the government's, you know, admission 406 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:42,844 they found a disk that day in the field 407 00:22:43,948 --> 00:22:45,605 and then right away covered it up. 408 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,333 So I think probably the government, at that time, 409 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:50,955 didn't wanna cause panic 410 00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:52,957 because look, we had the Cold War, 411 00:22:52,992 --> 00:22:54,683 the Cold War was happening, 412 00:22:54,718 --> 00:22:57,686 and then that just proliferated, you know, 413 00:22:57,721 --> 00:22:59,378 decade after decade. 414 00:22:59,412 --> 00:23:01,310 But what people don't understand 415 00:23:01,345 --> 00:23:03,934 is that sightings were still going on. 416 00:23:03,968 --> 00:23:05,970 They were still happening. 417 00:23:06,005 --> 00:23:08,076 Now so maybe you didn't hear a lot 418 00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:09,974 of what was going on at that point. 419 00:23:10,009 --> 00:23:13,875 But when you've got UFOs flying over Washington, D.C. 420 00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:16,360 over the capital building in 1952, 421 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:18,017 you can't deny that, that's there. 422 00:23:18,051 --> 00:23:19,984 And they had no idea what it was. 423 00:23:20,019 --> 00:23:21,986 You know, Project Blue Book did the studies 424 00:23:22,021 --> 00:23:23,816 of the UFO reports. 425 00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:27,854 And they think they had like, 17,000 reports 426 00:23:27,889 --> 00:23:30,995 and I think 709 that couldn't be explained. 427 00:23:31,755 --> 00:23:34,861 And probably a lot more than that. 428 00:23:34,896 --> 00:23:37,795 So, you know, I think that the bottom line is, 429 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:39,659 and even with these Tic Tac UFOs, 430 00:23:39,694 --> 00:23:42,041 they don't know what it is. 431 00:23:42,075 --> 00:23:43,698 Is it causing a threat? 432 00:23:45,078 --> 00:23:47,011 We haven't seen any of that, we haven't seen that. 433 00:23:47,046 --> 00:23:50,325 I mean, I don't know some reports use, 434 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,672 I mean, you get some of the reports 435 00:23:52,707 --> 00:23:53,915 of people that have been, you know, 436 00:23:53,949 --> 00:23:56,055 burned by, you know, the radiation 437 00:23:56,089 --> 00:23:59,161 or they've had some kind of like close contact that way. 438 00:23:59,196 --> 00:24:01,025 But as far as physically, you know, 439 00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:05,271 were destructively doing something with these UFO reports, 440 00:24:05,305 --> 00:24:06,928 I don't think they're a threatening, 441 00:24:06,962 --> 00:24:08,964 I don't think they're a threatening thing. 442 00:24:08,999 --> 00:24:12,036 My opinion is that they're here to monitor us. 443 00:24:12,071 --> 00:24:14,418 They're monitoring us for some thing, 444 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,282 we don't know what that is. 445 00:24:16,316 --> 00:24:18,042 So what is the phenomena? 446 00:24:18,077 --> 00:24:21,908 That's the biggest question that we've all been asking 447 00:24:21,943 --> 00:24:24,739 for millennia, really. 448 00:24:24,773 --> 00:24:28,950 I mean, if you go back to religious times, they're there. 449 00:24:28,984 --> 00:24:31,090 There's a painting of the Madonna holding Jesus 450 00:24:31,124 --> 00:24:32,954 with a guy in the background, 451 00:24:32,988 --> 00:24:35,750 looking at a UFO in the background. 452 00:24:35,784 --> 00:24:37,855 So it's amazing that these things are there, 453 00:24:37,890 --> 00:24:40,962 they are in plain sight of what we're seeing, 454 00:24:40,996 --> 00:24:42,101 they're there every day. 455 00:24:42,135 --> 00:24:43,965 My feeling is the government 456 00:24:43,999 --> 00:24:46,864 just does not know what these are 457 00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:49,349 and they don't know how to approach it. 458 00:24:49,384 --> 00:24:51,144 So that's why they created AATIP, 459 00:24:51,179 --> 00:24:52,318 that's why they're creating 460 00:24:52,352 --> 00:24:54,216 all of these different infrastructures 461 00:24:54,251 --> 00:24:55,942 to deal with this somehow. 462 00:24:55,977 --> 00:24:57,979 But so far, nobody has an answer. 463 00:25:00,222 --> 00:25:02,362 - So I'm working on a case now, 464 00:25:02,397 --> 00:25:05,124 going back to the problems people have 465 00:25:05,158 --> 00:25:08,990 after having been abducted or it was a UFO sighting. 466 00:25:09,024 --> 00:25:10,854 And I was sent a picture 467 00:25:10,888 --> 00:25:13,028 and she showed me some puncture wounds 468 00:25:13,063 --> 00:25:15,168 that were left behind on her body, 469 00:25:15,203 --> 00:25:17,067 after having an experience. 470 00:25:17,101 --> 00:25:20,519 Now, we see these a lot with abductees and experiencers, 471 00:25:20,553 --> 00:25:23,280 they get marks on their bodies, some even will get implants. 472 00:25:23,314 --> 00:25:26,145 Dr. Roger Leir was a big part of that, 473 00:25:26,179 --> 00:25:28,768 he helped get these people with implants 474 00:25:28,803 --> 00:25:31,253 that have had experiences and he would remove them. 475 00:25:31,288 --> 00:25:33,773 And we have a lot of data on those as well. 476 00:25:33,808 --> 00:25:36,845 A lot of the times, if you have an object in your body, 477 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,089 you can pull it out and then it'll have a membrane 478 00:25:39,123 --> 00:25:40,435 around the object itself. 479 00:25:40,469 --> 00:25:41,850 And what that membrane does 480 00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:43,921 is it helps the body not reject the object 481 00:25:43,956 --> 00:25:45,751 being placed inside. 482 00:25:45,785 --> 00:25:46,924 Then when you cut that off, 483 00:25:46,959 --> 00:25:49,996 it usually turns down to some type of metal or meteorite 484 00:25:50,031 --> 00:25:51,446 that's being placed in the body. 485 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,172 Now there's been plenty of times 486 00:25:53,206 --> 00:25:56,037 where we've actually taken an EMF reader 487 00:25:56,071 --> 00:25:58,349 or some kind of electrical device, 488 00:25:58,384 --> 00:26:00,110 and put it close to the objects 489 00:26:00,144 --> 00:26:02,181 that are implanted in people, 490 00:26:02,215 --> 00:26:04,424 and it will actually give off readings, 491 00:26:04,459 --> 00:26:08,118 which is, I mean, what does that? We have no idea. 492 00:26:08,152 --> 00:26:11,362 This is just part of the phenomenon that we question. 493 00:26:11,397 --> 00:26:13,192 [eerie music] 494 00:26:13,226 --> 00:26:17,886 - In 1984, I was assigned to Area 51. 495 00:26:19,198 --> 00:26:21,200 The public would call it Area 51, 496 00:26:21,234 --> 00:26:24,790 it was Groom Lake Complex in Nevada. 497 00:26:24,824 --> 00:26:27,068 I walked into a building 498 00:26:27,102 --> 00:26:31,072 and there was a closed-circuit camera, 499 00:26:31,106 --> 00:26:33,074 a monitor, excuse me, 500 00:26:33,108 --> 00:26:37,216 showing a picture of an ET on the camera. 501 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:41,358 I asked the agent in the room, "Where is this? 502 00:26:41,392 --> 00:26:42,601 What am I looking at here?" 503 00:26:42,635 --> 00:26:44,223 He said, "This is closed-circuit. 504 00:26:45,258 --> 00:26:47,813 This ET is at another facility." 505 00:26:47,847 --> 00:26:51,195 And I learned later was S2 Annex, it was called. 506 00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:54,198 "And he's getting ready to be interviewed." 507 00:26:55,406 --> 00:26:57,132 And I watched it for about, like I said, 508 00:26:57,167 --> 00:26:57,961 about seven to 10 minutes. 509 00:26:57,995 --> 00:27:00,066 And another officer came in the room 510 00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:02,103 and asked me what I was doing in there. 511 00:27:02,137 --> 00:27:05,278 And I said, "Oh, I came over for another project. 512 00:27:05,313 --> 00:27:06,555 And I see this." 513 00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:08,281 He said, "I don't think you're cleared for it." 514 00:27:08,316 --> 00:27:09,904 So I had to leave. 515 00:27:09,938 --> 00:27:14,115 But in that seven to 10 minutes, I saw a lot of this. 516 00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:17,325 Now the ironic part of this 517 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,121 was there were two intelligence officers 518 00:27:20,155 --> 00:27:21,329 sitting, one on one side of him, 519 00:27:21,363 --> 00:27:23,331 one on the other side of him. 520 00:27:23,365 --> 00:27:27,956 And there was sound in the room, 521 00:27:27,991 --> 00:27:30,303 but there was no word spoken. 522 00:27:30,338 --> 00:27:33,444 Everything was being done, I think by, 523 00:27:33,479 --> 00:27:35,550 we would refer to as telepathy. 524 00:27:35,584 --> 00:27:39,140 But actually the government doesn't consider it that, 525 00:27:39,174 --> 00:27:42,039 they're calling it thought transfers. 526 00:27:42,074 --> 00:27:44,248 [eerie music] 527 00:27:44,283 --> 00:27:46,561 - People think that we gather together in dark rooms 528 00:27:46,595 --> 00:27:48,080 and talk about UFOs. 529 00:27:48,943 --> 00:27:50,841 So we don't do that at all. 530 00:27:52,015 --> 00:27:55,018 At CIA, there are no UFO accounts, 531 00:27:55,052 --> 00:27:58,677 there are no ET accounts, intelligence accounts 532 00:27:58,711 --> 00:28:01,645 that I was aware of when I served there. 533 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,441 Because of our day to day jobs of what we did 534 00:28:04,475 --> 00:28:06,374 with our regular analysis, 535 00:28:06,408 --> 00:28:09,480 we detected Russian interest in the phenomenon. 536 00:28:09,515 --> 00:28:14,278 And so we do have some sensors that can detect IR, 537 00:28:14,313 --> 00:28:16,004 that's no longer classified, 538 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,249 that is something that you can search for yourself 539 00:28:19,283 --> 00:28:21,251 in FOIA documents, 540 00:28:21,285 --> 00:28:26,152 that certain classes of our surveillance satellites 541 00:28:26,187 --> 00:28:31,192 have IR capabilities, they're electro-optical satellites. 542 00:28:32,227 --> 00:28:36,300 And with these sensors, we also detected orbs as well, 543 00:28:36,956 --> 00:28:38,302 flying over Russian airspace. 544 00:28:39,234 --> 00:28:42,272 And so you might wonder, why not US airspace? 545 00:28:42,306 --> 00:28:45,724 Well, keep in mind that the US intelligence community 546 00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:48,727 does not conduct surveillance. 547 00:28:48,761 --> 00:28:53,179 We do not spy over US territory. 548 00:28:53,214 --> 00:28:57,563 We are a foreign intelligence-focused agency. 549 00:28:57,597 --> 00:29:01,256 So that is why we detected it over Russia. 550 00:29:01,291 --> 00:29:05,295 And so that brought us to thinking, 551 00:29:05,329 --> 00:29:07,366 well, what are these craft? 552 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,471 They're flying extremely fast, 553 00:29:09,506 --> 00:29:11,715 they're flying extremely high, 554 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,442 what could it be, could it be a threat? 555 00:29:14,476 --> 00:29:17,686 So my branch, the ELINT Analysis Branch 556 00:29:17,721 --> 00:29:21,690 was assigned to eliminate, to rule out, what it could be. 557 00:29:21,725 --> 00:29:26,730 We looked at several Russian craft, aircraft that they had, 558 00:29:28,318 --> 00:29:30,078 which could fit the bill. 559 00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:34,048 There's the MiG-29 and as the MiG-31. 560 00:29:34,082 --> 00:29:36,602 These two are interceptors, 561 00:29:36,636 --> 00:29:39,950 they're designed to fly straight up into the sky 562 00:29:41,124 --> 00:29:43,298 and then shoot down something below them. 563 00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:48,338 So we eliminated those MiG-29s and MiG-31s. 564 00:29:49,339 --> 00:29:51,444 They carried something called stealth generator. 565 00:29:51,479 --> 00:29:54,482 The stealth generator could have created 566 00:29:54,516 --> 00:29:59,142 something like an orb like appearance to an IR sensor. 567 00:29:59,176 --> 00:30:03,215 But these craft were flying much higher 568 00:30:03,249 --> 00:30:08,254 than the 123,000 foot world record altitude 569 00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:11,257 set by the MiG-31, for example. 570 00:30:11,292 --> 00:30:13,363 So we eliminated that. 571 00:30:13,397 --> 00:30:16,780 Subject matter experts were then called together 572 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:18,644 at each of these agencies 573 00:30:18,678 --> 00:30:21,164 by the agency that detected 574 00:30:21,198 --> 00:30:23,407 the presence of these orbs in our sensors. 575 00:30:23,442 --> 00:30:27,411 That agency was the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. 576 00:30:27,446 --> 00:30:31,553 So what they did was they eliminated the fact 577 00:30:33,141 --> 00:30:35,350 that they were Russian aircraft. 578 00:30:35,385 --> 00:30:40,390 And so they went to the NRO and tried to then find out 579 00:30:42,495 --> 00:30:46,292 if there was any kind of glitches in the satellite. 580 00:30:46,327 --> 00:30:48,536 NRO, who's responsible for the care 581 00:30:48,570 --> 00:30:52,333 and feeding of these satellites came with the report, 582 00:30:52,367 --> 00:30:54,335 no, there was nothing wrong with the satellites. 583 00:30:54,369 --> 00:30:58,304 NGA also eliminated any of the ground software 584 00:30:58,339 --> 00:31:00,755 that may have been processing these images 585 00:31:00,789 --> 00:31:03,758 and, no, there are no glitches in the software. 586 00:31:03,792 --> 00:31:07,796 And so the NGA and NRO would need to get together 587 00:31:07,831 --> 00:31:11,628 and discover exactly what are these objects 588 00:31:11,662 --> 00:31:14,355 in the frames of electro-optical imagery 589 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:16,357 that they've detected? 590 00:31:16,391 --> 00:31:18,669 They gather together these subject matter experts 591 00:31:18,704 --> 00:31:22,225 and these other agencies like CIA, like DIA, 592 00:31:23,226 --> 00:31:28,472 like NSA, NRO, NGA, as well as their contractors, 593 00:31:29,542 --> 00:31:32,442 do a deep dive into exactly what these objects might be. 594 00:31:33,201 --> 00:31:35,583 And this was the Orb Working Group. 595 00:31:35,617 --> 00:31:40,622 And so a report from a Russian general at the time, 596 00:31:41,796 --> 00:31:44,903 retired now, his name was Alexeyev. 597 00:31:44,937 --> 00:31:48,423 General Alexeyev wrote that the Russian leadership 598 00:31:48,458 --> 00:31:51,840 wanted to attract these objects using radars, 599 00:31:51,875 --> 00:31:53,739 and they found a way to do so. 600 00:31:57,225 --> 00:31:59,572 [eerie music] 601 00:32:03,956 --> 00:32:05,716 - In 2016, my girlfriend and I 602 00:32:05,751 --> 00:32:09,824 were traveling across the Center Bridge bridge 603 00:32:09,858 --> 00:32:13,690 from New Hope to Stockton, New Jersey 604 00:32:13,724 --> 00:32:18,626 and out of the corner of my eye, I saw five orange orbs. 605 00:32:19,558 --> 00:32:22,319 And so these lights just came out of nowhere. 606 00:32:22,354 --> 00:32:24,666 And at first I was trying to see, 607 00:32:24,701 --> 00:32:26,772 well, there's a restaurant right there, 608 00:32:26,806 --> 00:32:29,154 could these possibly be Chinese lanterns? 609 00:32:29,188 --> 00:32:31,639 Maybe there's a wedding going on or something like that. 610 00:32:31,673 --> 00:32:33,744 And I'm like, well, wait a minute, no, it's February 611 00:32:33,779 --> 00:32:35,574 and it's cold out and there's no way 612 00:32:35,608 --> 00:32:37,679 there's gonna be any kind of thing like that. 613 00:32:37,714 --> 00:32:40,303 So with that, I'm fumbling to get my phone, 614 00:32:40,337 --> 00:32:41,718 to try to take a picture of it. 615 00:32:41,752 --> 00:32:43,789 And of course my flash goes off of the phone 616 00:32:43,823 --> 00:32:46,274 and you know, but I was able to get one shot. 617 00:32:46,309 --> 00:32:49,519 But she got a better look at what was going on. 618 00:32:49,553 --> 00:32:51,452 And these things just appeared. 619 00:32:51,486 --> 00:32:53,695 There was five lights, they appeared. 620 00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:57,527 And it looked like they did a search pattern over the river. 621 00:32:57,561 --> 00:32:59,805 And then one by one, they just petered out, 622 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:01,462 one by one and disappeared. 623 00:33:01,496 --> 00:33:05,638 And I was able to get the last one before it went away. 624 00:33:05,673 --> 00:33:07,537 One of the most incredible nights, 625 00:33:07,571 --> 00:33:08,917 I could not believe 626 00:33:08,952 --> 00:33:11,230 that we actually saw something like that. 627 00:33:13,336 --> 00:33:15,924 - Some people get go real deep into the rabbit hole, 628 00:33:15,959 --> 00:33:17,685 you know, as we call it, 629 00:33:17,719 --> 00:33:20,826 and things tend to happen because you get so frustrated 630 00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:22,655 and you're thinking you're working with the right people 631 00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,588 that come out and try to leak your little stuff, 632 00:33:24,623 --> 00:33:28,006 but really they're most of the time leaking disinformation. 633 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,456 And that tends to hurt that person, getting them confused, 634 00:33:30,491 --> 00:33:31,664 and they think they're losing their mind. 635 00:33:31,699 --> 00:33:34,288 And we've seen this before. 636 00:33:34,322 --> 00:33:36,704 We've seen people lose really tight knit relationships 637 00:33:36,738 --> 00:33:39,707 with their wives, married for 20, 30 years, 638 00:33:39,741 --> 00:33:42,468 over them coming out and stating they've seen the UFO, 639 00:33:42,503 --> 00:33:43,607 just doing that. 640 00:33:43,642 --> 00:33:46,334 And you don't see too many, very doctors or scientists 641 00:33:46,369 --> 00:33:49,820 coming out themselves talking about this subject, either. 642 00:33:49,855 --> 00:33:52,547 Or pilots, I mean, pilots are one of the biggest, 643 00:33:52,582 --> 00:33:55,757 you know, witnesses that we have today that come out. 644 00:33:55,792 --> 00:33:58,967 And the FAA tells them, you know, report it, send it to us. 645 00:33:59,002 --> 00:34:00,314 And it goes in a lockbox. 646 00:34:00,348 --> 00:34:01,591 And usually some people will even show up 647 00:34:01,625 --> 00:34:03,558 and take the evidence, they'll take, 648 00:34:03,593 --> 00:34:05,388 there's a little box that goes in every little plane 649 00:34:05,422 --> 00:34:08,770 that records the radar systems, just like in the Military. 650 00:34:08,805 --> 00:34:09,875 And what they'll do is they'll come in 651 00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:11,290 and they'll take those boxes 652 00:34:11,325 --> 00:34:12,809 and then make them sign an NDA, 653 00:34:12,843 --> 00:34:14,535 nondisclosure agreement, 654 00:34:14,569 --> 00:34:16,675 saying that they can never talk about this stuff again, 655 00:34:16,709 --> 00:34:19,850 which deters people from reporting a UFO sighting. 656 00:34:19,885 --> 00:34:21,645 And that hurts the community in a whole, 657 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,475 because these people are some of the top trained, 658 00:34:23,509 --> 00:34:24,924 most have military backgrounds, 659 00:34:24,959 --> 00:34:28,549 which is why they got into flying planes like they have, 660 00:34:28,583 --> 00:34:29,481 so they know what they're seeing, 661 00:34:29,515 --> 00:34:31,414 they're some of the most credible witnesses 662 00:34:31,448 --> 00:34:33,071 we have in UFO field, 663 00:34:33,105 --> 00:34:35,694 and this is what's being done to them. 664 00:34:35,728 --> 00:34:39,042 They're being deterred, not to say what they're seeing. 665 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,424 - Big picture does the Pentagon know 666 00:34:41,458 --> 00:34:42,701 more than they're saying? 667 00:34:43,667 --> 00:34:45,566 - 100%, 100%. 668 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,602 And Leland, you had George Will on earlier, 669 00:34:47,637 --> 00:34:49,949 he said, it's in our country's DNA 670 00:34:49,984 --> 00:34:51,019 not to trust the government. 671 00:34:51,054 --> 00:34:52,573 And this is another example why. 672 00:34:52,607 --> 00:34:55,023 These are Navy pilots, 673 00:34:55,058 --> 00:34:56,956 these are the top pilots in the world. 674 00:34:57,888 --> 00:35:00,650 [eerie music] 675 00:35:15,872 --> 00:35:18,875 - I investigated other sightings and incidents 676 00:35:18,909 --> 00:35:23,914 that involved UFOs or ETs during my time from 1978 to 1988. 677 00:35:28,816 --> 00:35:33,614 In 1984, I was assigned to Area 51. 678 00:35:34,615 --> 00:35:36,893 The public would call it Area 51. 679 00:35:36,927 --> 00:35:40,448 It was Groom Lake Complex in Nevada. 680 00:35:40,483 --> 00:35:44,383 It was actually a Detachment 3, Air Force test 681 00:35:44,418 --> 00:35:49,354 and evaluation site, which was the headquarters for that, 682 00:35:49,388 --> 00:35:51,390 was out of Edwards Air Force Base. 683 00:35:52,805 --> 00:35:54,635 And out there while I was there, 684 00:35:54,669 --> 00:35:59,674 I also had access to information pertaining to the UFOs, 685 00:36:00,227 --> 00:36:02,125 ET contacts that we had, 686 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,577 and actually live ETs that we had out there. 687 00:36:05,611 --> 00:36:08,131 Now, I didn't have access to everything 688 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:09,960 pertaining to that program. 689 00:36:09,995 --> 00:36:12,687 Special access programs are very compartmented 690 00:36:12,722 --> 00:36:14,931 in the military and the government. 691 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,140 So you only have access 692 00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:21,524 to parts of the program, not all of it. 693 00:36:21,558 --> 00:36:26,425 But I was counterintelligence officers for the base. 694 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:31,465 And so I had to have access to enough in order to do my job. 695 00:36:32,466 --> 00:36:34,157 And one of the jobs of a counterintelligence officer 696 00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:38,886 is what the general public refers to as disinformation. 697 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,440 We, United States government, 698 00:36:41,475 --> 00:36:43,822 especially the counterintelligence officers, 699 00:36:43,856 --> 00:36:48,861 are trying to protect the secrecy of what we're doing 700 00:36:49,552 --> 00:36:52,520 in research and development projects, 701 00:36:52,555 --> 00:36:55,213 reverse engineering of a craft 702 00:36:55,247 --> 00:37:00,425 or developing some kind of special weapons from the craft 703 00:37:01,115 --> 00:37:02,703 or some other technology. 704 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,844 So during our protection 705 00:37:05,878 --> 00:37:10,089 of these highly classified projects, 706 00:37:10,124 --> 00:37:13,576 what we're gonna do is we're gonna develop a program 707 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:15,612 to protect it from a general public. 708 00:37:15,647 --> 00:37:19,237 So for instance, if you're driving along some place 709 00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:23,171 close to a test range, such as, we'll say, 710 00:37:23,206 --> 00:37:26,830 Highway 95 or Highway 93 in Nevada, 711 00:37:26,865 --> 00:37:30,869 and you see something flying out there that is exotic to you 712 00:37:30,903 --> 00:37:33,596 or not known to you, 713 00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:34,769 you're gonna immediately think 714 00:37:34,804 --> 00:37:39,740 it's either something developed a highly classified object 715 00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:43,744 that we developed or it might be an extraterrestrial craft. 716 00:37:45,228 --> 00:37:49,715 So depending on which way the pendulum swings, so to speak, 717 00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:52,200 we'll try to convince you one or the other, 718 00:37:52,235 --> 00:37:55,928 that what you saw is actually a UFO, 719 00:37:57,309 --> 00:38:00,761 to protect the real project that we're working on, 720 00:38:00,795 --> 00:38:03,004 which is maybe a reverse engineering. 721 00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:04,868 It would be one of our crafts, 722 00:38:04,903 --> 00:38:07,008 but we're trying to convince you, it was an ET. 723 00:38:07,043 --> 00:38:09,494 Now it also works the other way around. 724 00:38:09,528 --> 00:38:11,944 You see something, we try to convince you, 725 00:38:11,979 --> 00:38:14,015 when you actually see a UFO and we know it's a UFO, 726 00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:17,674 we know it's an extraterrestrial craft, 727 00:38:17,709 --> 00:38:20,884 we're gonna try to convince you that it's one of ours. 728 00:38:20,919 --> 00:38:22,127 It's something we're developing, 729 00:38:22,161 --> 00:38:24,750 so you don't have to say something about it. 730 00:38:24,785 --> 00:38:27,615 Or, hey, be a patriotic American 731 00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:30,791 and just be quiet about what you saw, 732 00:38:30,825 --> 00:38:33,552 don't spread it around. 733 00:38:33,587 --> 00:38:36,244 [dramatic music] 734 00:38:38,833 --> 00:38:41,905 - You know, we have a lot of hope now 735 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:43,562 about disclosure, right, 736 00:38:43,597 --> 00:38:45,840 you've heard about the term disclosure. 737 00:38:45,875 --> 00:38:48,809 The government has created a, what they call, 738 00:38:48,843 --> 00:38:53,848 a Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force. 739 00:38:54,677 --> 00:38:57,956 Well, what that is going to turn out to be, 740 00:38:57,990 --> 00:39:02,270 I guarantee you, is to keep the coverup going. 741 00:39:02,305 --> 00:39:05,791 And if they release information, 742 00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:08,932 they're supposed to periodically release such information, 743 00:39:08,967 --> 00:39:12,936 they're housed into the defense department. 744 00:39:12,971 --> 00:39:14,869 Periodically they're supposed to report 745 00:39:14,904 --> 00:39:18,045 on findings of, they don't call 'em the UFOs anymore, 746 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:22,601 they call 'em UAPs, unidentified aerial phenomenon. 747 00:39:22,636 --> 00:39:24,845 If they do bring up the subject 748 00:39:24,879 --> 00:39:29,884 of UFOs or UAPs, in any context, I guarantee you, 749 00:39:31,023 --> 00:39:33,750 they will never talk about Roswell, 750 00:39:33,785 --> 00:39:36,132 for two reasons, two reasons. 751 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:38,962 One, it will prove that they have been lying to us 752 00:39:38,997 --> 00:39:42,034 for 75 years as we speak. 753 00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:46,038 And two that they committed civil rights violations 754 00:39:46,073 --> 00:39:47,385 to cover up the case. 755 00:39:47,419 --> 00:39:49,697 They will not talk about Roswell. 756 00:39:49,732 --> 00:39:52,976 They have not talked about Roswell since 1997. 757 00:39:53,011 --> 00:39:55,945 And they put out a monograph, 758 00:39:55,979 --> 00:39:58,223 a book called, "Roswell Case Closed." 759 00:39:58,257 --> 00:40:00,259 They hoped it was case closed, 760 00:40:00,294 --> 00:40:03,815 but it's still opened as far as the civilian investigation, 761 00:40:03,849 --> 00:40:07,888 myself and Donald Schmidt is concerned. 762 00:40:10,166 --> 00:40:12,099 - When Bill Clinton took office, 763 00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:15,102 he realized immediately when he took office, 764 00:40:15,136 --> 00:40:17,932 that there was a government within a government. 765 00:40:17,967 --> 00:40:22,247 So there's a lot of deeper things here going on 766 00:40:22,281 --> 00:40:25,146 under the surface than what we're seeing. 767 00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:28,011 And again, all of those guys, 768 00:40:28,046 --> 00:40:30,669 it's great that Lue Elizondo and all those guys 769 00:40:30,704 --> 00:40:32,257 are bringing this to the forefront 770 00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:33,983 and getting this information. 771 00:40:34,017 --> 00:40:36,848 But again, what's happening? 772 00:40:36,882 --> 00:40:37,987 Are we getting any answers? 773 00:40:38,021 --> 00:40:39,678 I don't think so. 774 00:40:39,713 --> 00:40:43,855 I mean, it's there, I think, almost people 775 00:40:43,889 --> 00:40:46,098 are becoming desensitized to it as well, 776 00:40:46,133 --> 00:40:49,205 because it's just a proliferation of these sightings 777 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,864 that, "Oh, there's another UFO sighting. there it is again." 778 00:40:52,898 --> 00:40:56,384 You know, until something lands on the White House lawn, 779 00:40:56,419 --> 00:40:58,145 like it did in, "The Day The Earth Stood Still" 780 00:40:58,179 --> 00:41:00,458 I think it's going to be just that, 781 00:41:00,492 --> 00:41:03,081 it's gonna be an enigma, it's gonna be ubiquitous, 782 00:41:03,115 --> 00:41:04,910 it's gonna be there all the time. 783 00:41:04,945 --> 00:41:06,153 And that's what we do. 784 00:41:06,187 --> 00:41:07,982 That's what we're searching for that answer 785 00:41:08,017 --> 00:41:09,259 all the time on what it could be. 786 00:41:09,294 --> 00:41:11,434 And that is the greatest mystery, 787 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,678 what could it be, what is it? 788 00:41:15,058 --> 00:41:18,027 And I go back to another case, which I love 789 00:41:18,061 --> 00:41:21,479 and I love to research, was in the '50s, 790 00:41:21,513 --> 00:41:24,447 the Holloman Air Force Base, UFO landing. 791 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:27,277 And apparently a UFO had landed, 792 00:41:27,312 --> 00:41:30,039 a crew was doing maneuvers 793 00:41:30,073 --> 00:41:32,490 and they were filming the maneuvers 794 00:41:32,524 --> 00:41:37,702 and they had seen three objects landing over the base. 795 00:41:38,910 --> 00:41:40,256 And one seemed to be, it was wobbly, 796 00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:41,947 it was kind of like in trouble. 797 00:41:41,982 --> 00:41:45,054 Well, it came down and landed and they filmed everything. 798 00:41:45,088 --> 00:41:46,883 They filmed this thing coming out. 799 00:41:46,918 --> 00:41:48,920 And just outta Close Encounters, 800 00:41:48,954 --> 00:41:52,510 this thing landed, the tripod came out, the door opened up, 801 00:41:52,544 --> 00:41:54,201 three of these beings came out. 802 00:41:54,235 --> 00:41:58,239 Now the description of these guys was what made me think 803 00:41:58,274 --> 00:41:59,931 that this could be a real event 804 00:41:59,965 --> 00:42:02,140 because they weren't the typical grays. 805 00:42:02,174 --> 00:42:04,004 These guys had big noses, 806 00:42:04,038 --> 00:42:08,111 they had weird like an African wrap, something like a, 807 00:42:08,146 --> 00:42:11,149 they said it was a communication device on their head. 808 00:42:11,183 --> 00:42:13,772 Weird, their eyes were like ours, 809 00:42:13,807 --> 00:42:15,912 but they looked like Egyptian-like eyes, 810 00:42:15,947 --> 00:42:19,537 but the pupils went like a cats, they were up and down. 811 00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:22,367 And they had like blue fitting jumpsuits on. 812 00:42:22,401 --> 00:42:26,992 And so it was just the most interesting description 813 00:42:27,027 --> 00:42:30,548 of an extraterrestrial that you'd never heard about, 814 00:42:30,582 --> 00:42:32,273 you've never heard about this. 815 00:42:32,308 --> 00:42:34,897 But supposedly they have film footage of this. 816 00:42:34,931 --> 00:42:37,555 Well, what happened was there was a film crew, 817 00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:39,936 when Nixon took office, he was going to 818 00:42:39,971 --> 00:42:42,249 disclose all of the UFO information. 819 00:42:42,283 --> 00:42:44,044 He was gonna get it out to the public and say, 820 00:42:44,078 --> 00:42:46,046 "Look, this is what's going on. 821 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,082 "We do know that they're real." 822 00:42:48,117 --> 00:42:52,086 He put a documentary film crew together 823 00:42:52,121 --> 00:42:54,295 and they were gonna put together a video 824 00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:57,333 called, "UFO's Past, Present andamp; Future." 825 00:42:57,367 --> 00:43:01,406 They hired Robert Emenegger, who was a director, 826 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,789 and he was told he could get 600 feet of this footage 827 00:43:04,823 --> 00:43:06,549 of this UFO that landed, 828 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:09,034 that they could put into the documentary. 829 00:43:09,069 --> 00:43:12,313 Well, when it came time to go get the footage, 830 00:43:12,348 --> 00:43:14,108 it mysteriously disappeared. 831 00:43:15,385 --> 00:43:18,803 But apparently about 12, 13 seconds of it 832 00:43:18,837 --> 00:43:20,459 made it into the documentary. 833 00:43:20,494 --> 00:43:22,392 Somehow it made it into the documentary. 834 00:43:22,427 --> 00:43:24,291 And you could see this white dot, 835 00:43:24,325 --> 00:43:28,088 just coming down to the tarmac. 836 00:43:28,122 --> 00:43:30,573 You know, were they trying to get that out there? 837 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:33,921 Were they trying to say then, "This really happened? 838 00:43:33,956 --> 00:43:36,855 "Well, let's put it in a way that we're not gonna say 839 00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:40,065 "that it truly happened, but it could have happened." 840 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,102 It's all of these different things that we've gotta, 841 00:43:42,136 --> 00:43:44,000 you know, kind of like go through, 842 00:43:44,035 --> 00:43:46,831 all these different layers of, 843 00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:50,144 you know, I don't wanna say lies, but yeah, lies, deception, 844 00:43:51,387 --> 00:43:55,149 you know, kind of manufacturing the truth. 845 00:43:56,426 --> 00:43:58,083 And that's been the greatest mystery, 846 00:43:58,118 --> 00:44:01,155 it's like, what is the answer? 847 00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:04,020 [dramatic music] 848 00:44:06,229 --> 00:44:08,611 - Everything the government does has a plan. 849 00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:11,131 You can't really do much in the government 850 00:44:11,165 --> 00:44:14,272 without some sort of an operational plan. 851 00:44:14,306 --> 00:44:17,033 So when we try to protect 852 00:44:17,068 --> 00:44:20,105 a technology research and development project, 853 00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:24,523 an exotic weapon system, we plan it. 854 00:44:24,558 --> 00:44:27,457 Most of the planning is done at headquarters, 855 00:44:27,492 --> 00:44:29,252 and then it filtered down 856 00:44:29,287 --> 00:44:33,222 to the counter intelligence officer at the base level. 857 00:44:33,256 --> 00:44:36,950 And we implement that program that is sent down to us. 858 00:44:36,984 --> 00:44:39,953 That was my role as counterintelligence officer. 859 00:44:39,987 --> 00:44:44,233 Now there's numerous projects and special access programs, 860 00:44:44,267 --> 00:44:47,581 I've worked on, that are still classified. 861 00:44:47,615 --> 00:44:51,136 I'm not gonna hide the fact that we United States government 862 00:44:51,171 --> 00:44:54,968 knows about extraterrestrial races, 863 00:44:55,002 --> 00:45:00,007 about exotic technology that had been given to us by ETs, 864 00:45:01,008 --> 00:45:03,045 the fact that our planet has been visited by ETs 865 00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,117 for probably thousands of years. 866 00:45:06,151 --> 00:45:07,532 Now, remember I mentioned that we had an ET 867 00:45:07,566 --> 00:45:12,468 in captivity from 1947 to 1952, 868 00:45:12,502 --> 00:45:17,162 was codename EBE, for Extraterrestrial Biological Entity. 869 00:45:17,197 --> 00:45:20,959 He was able to communicate eventually with us. 870 00:45:20,994 --> 00:45:24,100 Now, you have to understand that an ET 871 00:45:25,343 --> 00:45:29,934 is not familiar with our technology, our science, our time, 872 00:45:29,968 --> 00:45:32,350 nothing about our society. 873 00:45:32,384 --> 00:45:34,317 So it was very difficult for us 874 00:45:34,352 --> 00:45:38,252 to obtain information from him, it was a male. 875 00:45:38,287 --> 00:45:42,636 Initially EBE was willing to provide the information, 876 00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:44,258 but the communications process 877 00:45:44,293 --> 00:45:46,502 was very slow during that time period. 878 00:45:46,536 --> 00:45:51,127 Number one, he couldn't speak English obviously, 879 00:45:51,162 --> 00:45:54,061 and we couldn't speak his language. 880 00:45:54,096 --> 00:45:59,101 And his biology and anatomy 881 00:46:00,205 --> 00:46:02,380 was highly different from a human. 882 00:46:02,414 --> 00:46:04,692 So our scientists or doctors, 883 00:46:04,727 --> 00:46:09,249 our very, very smart physicians 884 00:46:09,283 --> 00:46:13,598 developed an implant to put it into his neck, 885 00:46:13,632 --> 00:46:17,395 which allowed him to say our words. 886 00:46:17,429 --> 00:46:22,365 Before that he couldn't pronounce any of our words 887 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,196 because of the way his vocal chords 888 00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:30,235 or his anatomy existed in his throat. 889 00:46:30,891 --> 00:46:32,272 But we developed a way to do it. 890 00:46:33,238 --> 00:46:37,277 Very smart, EBE was very smart, extremely intelligent, 891 00:46:37,311 --> 00:46:40,176 and he was able to learn number one, 892 00:46:40,211 --> 00:46:43,110 our math really easy, our language, 893 00:46:43,145 --> 00:46:47,390 at least not all of it, but enough to communicate with us 894 00:46:47,425 --> 00:46:52,361 and enough to relate to us some of the things that he could, 895 00:46:52,395 --> 00:46:56,434 that was somewhat similar on his planet to our planet. 896 00:46:56,468 --> 00:46:59,299 [dramatic music] 897 00:47:37,509 --> 00:47:41,306 - An officer in the Office of the Chief Scientist 898 00:47:41,341 --> 00:47:44,620 and the Directorate of Science and Technology approached me. 899 00:47:44,654 --> 00:47:48,244 This is someone I knew, that I worked with before 900 00:47:48,279 --> 00:47:51,869 in a field called scientific visualization. 901 00:47:51,903 --> 00:47:52,904 And he said, "There's gonna be an interesting, 902 00:47:52,939 --> 00:47:56,459 one-day symposium that you might want to attend." 903 00:47:56,494 --> 00:47:58,703 "It's gonna be at this hotel 904 00:47:58,737 --> 00:48:00,705 and it's gonna be on this date." 905 00:48:00,739 --> 00:48:02,741 There were three topics on the agenda. 906 00:48:03,915 --> 00:48:07,436 It was sponsored by an office at CIA, 907 00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:08,299 which was highly placed, 908 00:48:08,333 --> 00:48:11,889 and we should have known these topics. 909 00:48:11,923 --> 00:48:16,859 These topics were the UFO studies done by CIA in the past, 910 00:48:19,344 --> 00:48:22,485 the existence of alien hybrids 911 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,557 and CIA's interest in alien hybridization 912 00:48:25,592 --> 00:48:27,421 of the human genome. 913 00:48:27,456 --> 00:48:29,354 And the third topic was about 914 00:48:29,389 --> 00:48:33,876 an information technology explosion that will happen 915 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:38,329 where this information will be disseminated very rapidly 916 00:48:39,468 --> 00:48:42,471 with devices that were not yet invented, 917 00:48:42,505 --> 00:48:44,922 far better than any of the cell phones we had 918 00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:46,440 back in the day. 919 00:48:46,475 --> 00:48:47,372 This was the first time 920 00:48:47,407 --> 00:48:50,686 where I actually got an official briefing 921 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,585 on anything to do with UFOs. 922 00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,415 And in the briefing, 923 00:48:55,449 --> 00:48:59,246 it was stated that the McMinnville, Oregon UFO 924 00:48:59,281 --> 00:49:00,799 was an actual UFO. 925 00:49:01,973 --> 00:49:04,424 The briefer said a lot of the UFOs 926 00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:07,254 seen during the '50s and '60s, 927 00:49:07,289 --> 00:49:09,705 when CIA was testing its aircraft, 928 00:49:09,739 --> 00:49:14,158 that is the U-2 and the A-12 OXCART, 929 00:49:14,192 --> 00:49:16,919 they were identified as UFOs by observers on the ground 930 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:21,234 because the test craft were silver. 931 00:49:22,235 --> 00:49:25,514 They were not black, there were not black planes at all, 932 00:49:25,548 --> 00:49:28,206 during the testing phase, they were silver. 933 00:49:28,241 --> 00:49:31,347 So when you see something streaking across the sky 934 00:49:31,382 --> 00:49:35,179 at 70,000 or 80,000 feet, that was silver, 935 00:49:35,213 --> 00:49:39,217 a lot of observers thought that they were UFOs. 936 00:49:39,252 --> 00:49:41,944 And CIA thought back then that, 937 00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:46,707 "Okay, that's fine, if they identify them as UFOs, 938 00:49:46,742 --> 00:49:48,502 that's just hiding in plain sight 939 00:49:48,537 --> 00:49:51,471 these special aircraft that we were working on, 940 00:49:51,505 --> 00:49:54,646 we don't care if they identify it as UFOs." 941 00:49:54,681 --> 00:49:58,961 And so the McMinnville UFO was a real UFO 942 00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:03,517 that occurred in 1950 before the first U-2 flew. 943 00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:12,561 - Speaking about the government report that they put out, 944 00:50:14,252 --> 00:50:16,875 I believe it was June 25th of last year, 945 00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:21,915 that report unfortunately was not historical in nature. 946 00:50:23,296 --> 00:50:27,403 They only covered cases since 2014, 947 00:50:28,715 --> 00:50:33,478 namely these gun videos of the Navy. 948 00:50:35,618 --> 00:50:39,381 It did not have any Air Force cases. 949 00:50:39,415 --> 00:50:43,730 And it was only limited to 114 cases that they looked at. 950 00:50:44,972 --> 00:50:47,044 They couldn't explain, 951 00:50:47,078 --> 00:50:50,599 113 of them, were still unexplainable. 952 00:50:51,634 --> 00:50:53,464 The one that they could explain, 953 00:50:53,498 --> 00:50:56,950 turned out to be a weather balloon, of all things. 954 00:50:56,984 --> 00:51:01,955 So the other thing about this whole phenomenon since 2017, 955 00:51:04,889 --> 00:51:08,272 is that the Air Force has said nothing, 956 00:51:08,306 --> 00:51:10,343 it's all been a Navy show. 957 00:51:10,377 --> 00:51:14,692 And this UAP Task Force that they're putting together 958 00:51:14,726 --> 00:51:19,490 is a Navy CIA thing, the Air Force is not mentioned at all. 959 00:51:19,524 --> 00:51:21,630 And that's where all the cases are, 960 00:51:21,664 --> 00:51:25,565 the historical cases, Roswell, Rendlesham Forest, 961 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,671 the other good one, they didn't even look at those 962 00:51:28,706 --> 00:51:32,296 because they would have to admit too much suppression, 963 00:51:32,330 --> 00:51:36,300 too many laws that they broke to suppress those, 964 00:51:36,334 --> 00:51:37,922 especially Roswell. 965 00:51:37,956 --> 00:51:42,547 The Air Force has not spoken since 1997, 966 00:51:42,582 --> 00:51:46,586 which was the 50th anniversary of the Roswell case. 967 00:51:48,726 --> 00:51:51,901 - So all the way back when Roswell first occurred, 968 00:51:51,936 --> 00:51:53,938 the newspapers put a headline out 969 00:51:53,972 --> 00:51:56,009 and stating the truth of what actually occurred. 970 00:51:56,043 --> 00:51:58,598 The rancher came forward, being a good citizen, 971 00:51:58,632 --> 00:52:00,531 thinking he was doing the right thing, 972 00:52:00,565 --> 00:52:01,704 but immediately the day after, 973 00:52:01,739 --> 00:52:03,844 actually within the same 24 hours, 974 00:52:03,879 --> 00:52:06,053 the narrative was changed. 975 00:52:06,088 --> 00:52:08,573 And this guy was made to sign 976 00:52:08,608 --> 00:52:09,850 this non-disclosure agreement. 977 00:52:09,885 --> 00:52:13,095 He was held for six days, almost a whole week, 978 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,408 being tortured and talked to in ways 979 00:52:15,442 --> 00:52:17,582 to not describe what happened on his ranch. 980 00:52:17,617 --> 00:52:19,895 When he was released, we know he was paid money, 981 00:52:19,929 --> 00:52:22,587 he showed up in a brand new truck a couple weeks later. 982 00:52:22,622 --> 00:52:24,727 And he never spoke about it again. 983 00:52:24,762 --> 00:52:26,384 Now there's a lot of people, 984 00:52:26,419 --> 00:52:28,559 and he wishes he never went back and told anybody 985 00:52:28,593 --> 00:52:29,663 about what happened. 986 00:52:29,698 --> 00:52:32,356 He says this to this day, well, until he passed away. 987 00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:34,151 But now who was to blame for this? 988 00:52:34,185 --> 00:52:35,773 Who are we gonna go after? 989 00:52:35,807 --> 00:52:37,568 Should they be paid for their losses 990 00:52:37,602 --> 00:52:40,433 and everything that they've went through and lost? 991 00:52:40,467 --> 00:52:42,745 It might not happen because these people 992 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:46,611 are so into the black market and so deep into the government 993 00:52:46,646 --> 00:52:49,614 that we can't even get FOIA requests out 994 00:52:49,649 --> 00:52:52,928 because they're in private industries doing this work. 995 00:52:52,962 --> 00:52:56,794 So it's hard to find who is really responsible for this. 996 00:52:56,828 --> 00:52:58,105 Does the president know about this? 997 00:52:58,140 --> 00:52:59,521 I don't believe so, 998 00:52:59,555 --> 00:53:01,108 because he only does it four-year term, 999 00:53:01,143 --> 00:53:03,594 it gets done again, it's a full eight years. 1000 00:53:03,628 --> 00:53:06,838 So would they really debrief him on all this? 1001 00:53:06,873 --> 00:53:08,806 I don't really think so. 1002 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,015 So I think it goes way deeper than the president. 1003 00:53:11,049 --> 00:53:12,879 And I believe it goes into the CIA 1004 00:53:12,913 --> 00:53:14,639 and little private industries like this, 1005 00:53:14,674 --> 00:53:17,711 where they can do this work and not have to answer for it. 1006 00:53:17,746 --> 00:53:20,749 Because this happens all the time with every kind of thing, 1007 00:53:20,783 --> 00:53:23,614 not even just the UFO phenomenon, they do this with. 1008 00:53:23,648 --> 00:53:25,547 Even if they do disclose everything, 1009 00:53:25,581 --> 00:53:28,205 I don't think everybody will be given the respect 1010 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,001 that they deserve back because it is so deep like this. 1011 00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:35,591 People have gone down this rabbit hole many times 1012 00:53:35,626 --> 00:53:38,836 and they come out on the dark side in all this, 1013 00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:40,734 because they know that they'll never win. 1014 00:53:40,769 --> 00:53:42,702 And it's a shame because it shouldn't be like that. 1015 00:53:42,736 --> 00:53:44,842 We live in a free world where, you know, 1016 00:53:44,876 --> 00:53:46,844 it's free speech, we're allowed to vote. 1017 00:53:46,878 --> 00:53:49,743 We should be able to know, we pay these people in Congress 1018 00:53:49,778 --> 00:53:53,644 and our government to work for us, to speak for us, 1019 00:53:53,678 --> 00:53:56,198 to do things to help this country move forward. 1020 00:53:56,233 --> 00:53:58,200 Yet we're stumped when we get 1021 00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:01,479 this intelligence thing going on 1022 00:54:01,514 --> 00:54:03,688 where they wanna hide everything all the time. 1023 00:54:03,723 --> 00:54:04,827 I don't think we'll ever fully get 1024 00:54:04,862 --> 00:54:07,796 a full disclosure from the government, in my opinion. 1025 00:54:07,830 --> 00:54:11,731 I just think that if they did that, it would ruin religion, 1026 00:54:11,765 --> 00:54:14,147 it would ruin the government and the oil products 1027 00:54:14,181 --> 00:54:15,804 that we get from overseas. 1028 00:54:15,838 --> 00:54:18,255 And that's what the government does, they hide stuff. 1029 00:54:18,289 --> 00:54:19,773 If it was a religion aspect, 1030 00:54:19,808 --> 00:54:22,707 people would not know what to believe in anymore. 1031 00:54:22,742 --> 00:54:23,846 They believed all their lives 1032 00:54:23,881 --> 00:54:26,746 about a Christian, Catholic, you know, whatever it is. 1033 00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:28,955 And then you come down to hearing that aliens, 1034 00:54:28,989 --> 00:54:31,854 other life out there, I mean, that can ruin a person. 1035 00:54:31,889 --> 00:54:34,167 But see if the government came out long ago 1036 00:54:34,201 --> 00:54:35,824 and disclosed this, like they should have, 1037 00:54:35,858 --> 00:54:38,551 we wouldn't have these problems or these issues today. 1038 00:54:38,585 --> 00:54:41,243 [dramatic music] 1039 00:54:42,762 --> 00:54:46,628 - Based on what he could eventually explain to us 1040 00:54:46,662 --> 00:54:48,802 and what we could teach him, 1041 00:54:49,562 --> 00:54:52,565 we found that he's been visiting earth 1042 00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:55,084 or his species been visiting earth, 1043 00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,812 or our solar system I should say, for about 2,000 years. 1044 00:54:59,641 --> 00:55:02,885 So that of course brings up the big question 1045 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,648 that people ask is, "Wow, was he here 1046 00:55:06,682 --> 00:55:08,891 around the time Jesus was here?" 1047 00:55:08,926 --> 00:55:13,931 Now that's a very touchy, conversational piece 1048 00:55:14,587 --> 00:55:15,967 to talk to the general public, 1049 00:55:16,002 --> 00:55:18,625 especially somebody who's religious. 1050 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:23,078 If they think that ET planted a being on earth, 1051 00:55:23,112 --> 00:55:26,668 2,000 years ago, immediately they're gonna think 1052 00:55:26,702 --> 00:55:27,807 it was Jesus. 1053 00:55:27,841 --> 00:55:32,881 And was Jesus preaching, not the gospel, so to speak, 1054 00:55:32,915 --> 00:55:36,643 but their gospel or their belief. 1055 00:55:36,678 --> 00:55:38,956 One thing we did find, which is astonishing 1056 00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:43,995 was that, although EBE didn't talk about a God, 1057 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,310 he talked about a supreme being, 1058 00:55:49,622 --> 00:55:51,624 and they did worship a supreme being, 1059 00:55:51,658 --> 00:55:56,663 similar to the way we worship God or Muhammad 1060 00:55:58,044 --> 00:56:00,736 or other religions. 1061 00:56:00,771 --> 00:56:04,222 He showed us something in the craft that related, 1062 00:56:04,257 --> 00:56:07,916 it was a figurine that they would worship, 1063 00:56:07,950 --> 00:56:11,782 similar to what we would worship a sculpture or something 1064 00:56:11,816 --> 00:56:13,991 of God or Jesus. 1065 00:56:14,025 --> 00:56:18,236 And there's other things that he was able to explain to us 1066 00:56:18,271 --> 00:56:20,618 that we found in their craft. 1067 00:56:20,653 --> 00:56:22,862 Now, you gotta understand that their technology 1068 00:56:22,896 --> 00:56:26,106 was probably 50,000 years ahead of us. 1069 00:56:26,141 --> 00:56:29,593 So we couldn't understand their technology. 1070 00:56:30,352 --> 00:56:31,802 It was difficult sometimes, 1071 00:56:31,836 --> 00:56:33,804 for him to understand our technology, 1072 00:56:35,012 --> 00:56:37,566 different planet, different species. 1073 00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:43,952 And so we taught him what we could from our civilization 1074 00:56:46,195 --> 00:56:48,957 and he taught us what he could from his. 1075 00:56:53,306 --> 00:56:55,964 - I mean, you know, going back to, you know, 1076 00:56:55,998 --> 00:56:57,137 the Mercury Theater in the era 1077 00:56:57,172 --> 00:57:00,624 and what was that, that was the Orson Welles' adaptation 1078 00:57:00,658 --> 00:57:03,178 of H. G. Wells' "War of the Worlds." 1079 00:57:03,212 --> 00:57:05,111 So, "War of the Worlds" what was that supposed to be? 1080 00:57:05,145 --> 00:57:09,391 Well, all of a sudden aliens landed, Martians landed, 1081 00:57:09,426 --> 00:57:11,911 in Grovers Mill, New Jersey. 1082 00:57:11,945 --> 00:57:16,778 And, you know, what was stated in the newspapers 1083 00:57:16,812 --> 00:57:20,195 and what actually happened were two different things. 1084 00:57:21,368 --> 00:57:24,199 You know, they were supposedly, you know, 1085 00:57:24,233 --> 00:57:25,994 there was mass panic, there was people 1086 00:57:26,028 --> 00:57:27,927 that were like going crazy 1087 00:57:27,961 --> 00:57:30,895 and there was just mass bedlam everywhere. 1088 00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:33,070 Well, that never happened, it never happened. 1089 00:57:33,104 --> 00:57:35,831 But news made it happen. 1090 00:57:35,866 --> 00:57:37,799 It was fake news back then. 1091 00:57:37,833 --> 00:57:40,146 And as a matter of fact, Frank Stanton, 1092 00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:42,459 who basically he was the, I think, 1093 00:57:42,493 --> 00:57:45,462 the president of Princeton, New Jersey, 1094 00:57:45,496 --> 00:57:48,465 and this was the Mercury Theater of the era, 1095 00:57:48,499 --> 00:57:50,190 and that adaptation was funded 1096 00:57:50,225 --> 00:57:52,434 by the Rockefeller Foundation. 1097 00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:55,057 And what happened was Frank Stanton 1098 00:57:55,092 --> 00:57:57,094 was upset that they weren't causing the panic 1099 00:57:57,128 --> 00:58:00,856 that they were hoping the cause, you know, through that. 1100 00:58:00,891 --> 00:58:02,996 Even though every half hour, 1101 00:58:03,031 --> 00:58:06,172 the radio would come on and say, 1102 00:58:06,206 --> 00:58:09,658 "This is an adaptation of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds." 1103 00:58:10,832 --> 00:58:13,904 But what the news stated at that time, 1104 00:58:13,938 --> 00:58:17,148 that there was like mass bedlam happening and craziness. 1105 00:58:17,183 --> 00:58:19,047 But it's just amazing to me 1106 00:58:19,081 --> 00:58:23,465 how you can have two different opinions 1107 00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:25,709 of an event that took place. 1108 00:58:25,743 --> 00:58:27,918 And, one that really happened. 1109 00:58:27,952 --> 00:58:30,437 and one that really didn't happen. 1110 00:58:30,472 --> 00:58:31,991 You know, this could be, 1111 00:58:32,025 --> 00:58:35,028 it's manufactured news at that point. 1112 00:58:35,063 --> 00:58:37,444 You know, it could be manufactured 1113 00:58:37,479 --> 00:58:40,033 to suit the needs of a certain few 1114 00:58:41,276 --> 00:58:43,140 and keep everybody on their toes. 1115 00:58:43,174 --> 00:58:46,074 Because again, what did we have going on around that time? 1116 00:58:46,108 --> 00:58:47,144 World War II. 1117 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,148 So I always think about that and think to myself, 1118 00:58:51,182 --> 00:58:52,425 wow, you know, it's like, 1119 00:58:53,978 --> 00:58:56,153 there were two very different things going on. 1120 00:58:56,187 --> 00:59:00,088 And we're just finding out what the real story is today. 1121 00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:03,125 - If was just the craft, 1122 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,403 I think the government would readily disclose that. 1123 00:59:07,060 --> 00:59:09,131 And yes, there were outer space beings on the craft, 1124 00:59:09,166 --> 00:59:12,376 I think the government would disclose that eventually. 1125 00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:16,000 But the fact that these beings had DNA 1126 00:59:16,035 --> 00:59:18,175 that was found in the human genome, 1127 00:59:18,209 --> 00:59:21,040 I think that is the actual secret of Roswell. 1128 00:59:21,074 --> 00:59:24,112 I think that is a core secret of why the government 1129 00:59:24,146 --> 00:59:26,528 will not talk about Roswell. 1130 00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:31,740 All humans are in fact alien DNA enhanced, 1131 00:59:33,121 --> 00:59:37,539 but others were more enhanced than most humans. 1132 00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:40,024 And that these more enhanced humans 1133 00:59:40,059 --> 00:59:42,475 were of particular interest to CIA. 1134 00:59:43,407 --> 00:59:46,859 Now, I didn't put it all together back then, 1135 00:59:47,929 --> 00:59:52,450 but now I believe that this is part of the Roswell story 1136 00:59:52,485 --> 00:59:54,142 that was never told, 1137 00:59:54,176 --> 00:59:57,801 that whatever craft was recovered 1138 00:59:57,835 --> 01:00:02,046 and that whoever the occupants were in that craft, 1139 01:00:02,081 --> 01:00:04,428 that when the scientists 1140 01:00:04,462 --> 01:00:07,500 were able to sequence the human genome 1141 01:00:09,088 --> 01:00:14,093 and then went back at CIA to look at the genome 1142 01:00:14,749 --> 01:00:17,234 of any recovered alien beings, 1143 01:00:17,268 --> 01:00:19,270 they were surprised to find 1144 01:00:19,305 --> 01:00:24,310 that what the alien DNA looked like was also in humans. 1145 01:00:25,483 --> 01:00:27,175 But this was the way I connected the dots, 1146 01:00:27,209 --> 01:00:29,384 because I wanted to understand 1147 01:00:29,418 --> 01:00:32,180 exactly what Roswell was all about. 1148 01:00:32,214 --> 01:00:37,081 Why is it such a secret that a spacecraft from outer space 1149 01:00:37,116 --> 01:00:41,154 crashed and there may have been occupants on board, 1150 01:00:41,189 --> 01:00:44,192 why is that such a military secret? 1151 01:00:44,226 --> 01:00:47,126 Of course you can say it was the Cold War. 1152 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,508 But the Cold War has been over since 1991, 1153 01:00:51,682 --> 01:00:54,616 when the Soviet Union fell. 1154 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:58,516 And still there's this secrecy over Roswell, 1155 01:00:58,551 --> 01:01:01,071 that particular incident 1156 01:01:01,105 --> 01:01:03,280 that the government has never addressed. 1157 01:01:06,524 --> 01:01:09,389 - So we, the United States government, 1158 01:01:09,424 --> 01:01:14,394 knew of some instances where we had captured a hybrid. 1159 01:01:16,293 --> 01:01:18,882 We took him into captivity, so to speak, 1160 01:01:18,916 --> 01:01:23,921 because we knew that this person was a hybrid. 1161 01:01:25,095 --> 01:01:29,030 It was a male, he had been bred in a tube, 1162 01:01:30,238 --> 01:01:32,999 at a facility that we later found out about. 1163 01:01:33,034 --> 01:01:34,691 Examining this person, 1164 01:01:34,725 --> 01:01:39,350 both physiologically and biologically, 1165 01:01:39,385 --> 01:01:42,629 taking blood samples and tissue samples, 1166 01:01:44,459 --> 01:01:47,255 our scientists came to the conclusion 1167 01:01:47,289 --> 01:01:49,395 that this person was in fact a hybrid. 1168 01:01:53,364 --> 01:01:55,228 - The Roswell crash, 1169 01:01:57,299 --> 01:02:00,509 according to our investigation of over 30 years, 1170 01:02:02,097 --> 01:02:05,135 contained five crew members 1171 01:02:05,169 --> 01:02:09,001 or Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, 1172 01:02:09,035 --> 01:02:10,485 as they like to be called. 1173 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:14,213 Four of them expired when the ship blew up, 1174 01:02:14,247 --> 01:02:17,630 on July the 2nd, 1947, we believe. 1175 01:02:17,664 --> 01:02:20,529 One survived the crash and lived 1176 01:02:20,564 --> 01:02:24,326 for a number of years, post-crash. 1177 01:02:24,361 --> 01:02:26,535 We don't know exactly when it died, 1178 01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:29,987 but the information we have is that it expired 1179 01:02:30,022 --> 01:02:33,163 during some experiment they were doing with it or on it. 1180 01:02:33,197 --> 01:02:36,338 And according to a former commander 1181 01:02:36,373 --> 01:02:39,272 of the Air Materiel Command 1182 01:02:39,307 --> 01:02:41,481 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, 1183 01:02:41,516 --> 01:02:46,521 who on his deathbed said that they were stored 1184 01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:51,975 at the Dugway Proving Grounds, which is a lot like Area 51. 1185 01:02:53,114 --> 01:02:55,254 That the beings that all five of them 1186 01:02:55,288 --> 01:02:58,498 were being stored at Dugway Proving Grounds, 1187 01:02:58,533 --> 01:03:00,742 near Ogden, Utah. 1188 01:03:00,777 --> 01:03:03,987 It's been recently speculated 1189 01:03:04,021 --> 01:03:07,231 that one of the reasons for the coverup 1190 01:03:07,266 --> 01:03:12,236 was that the beings contained DNA of some sort 1191 01:03:13,651 --> 01:03:18,208 that showed human traits, homo sapiens traits. 1192 01:03:18,242 --> 01:03:21,590 I believe the fossil record is fairly clear 1193 01:03:21,625 --> 01:03:24,214 of our evolutionary track. 1194 01:03:24,248 --> 01:03:29,012 Where something like this DNA hypothesis, 1195 01:03:29,046 --> 01:03:32,015 sharing human genes of some sort, 1196 01:03:33,085 --> 01:03:36,329 you have to have more than just speculation on that. 1197 01:03:36,364 --> 01:03:39,125 - I think, you know, as far as the hybrid situation 1198 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,334 and monitoring what we're doing 1199 01:03:41,369 --> 01:03:45,649 and what the extraterrestrials could possibly be. 1200 01:03:47,202 --> 01:03:49,342 I mean, one conjecture was, was really incredible, 1201 01:03:49,377 --> 01:03:52,518 was could they be us from the future? 1202 01:03:52,552 --> 01:03:54,727 And I thought that was brilliant, you know, 1203 01:03:54,761 --> 01:03:57,316 'cause that's what they actually thought 1204 01:03:57,350 --> 01:04:00,767 when they did this research in Roswell, 1205 01:04:00,802 --> 01:04:03,253 that they thought maybe they were time travelers, 1206 01:04:03,287 --> 01:04:06,394 they were time travelers and they were us from the future. 1207 01:04:06,428 --> 01:04:11,157 - The study about time compression is very interesting. 1208 01:04:11,192 --> 01:04:15,679 For 30 years of my 31 years investigation of Roswell, 1209 01:04:15,713 --> 01:04:18,544 I never considered where they were from, 1210 01:04:18,578 --> 01:04:23,583 they the occupants of the spaceship, 1211 01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:25,413 where they might have been from. 1212 01:04:25,447 --> 01:04:28,416 So along about a year or two ago, 1213 01:04:28,450 --> 01:04:33,455 I interviewed the two sons of one of the Paperclip Germans 1214 01:04:34,629 --> 01:04:37,770 who were brought over after World War II, 1215 01:04:37,804 --> 01:04:39,841 a rocket scientist, 1216 01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:42,740 you know, Wernher von Braun and his crew. 1217 01:04:42,775 --> 01:04:47,159 Well, second in command of these Paperclip rocket scientists 1218 01:04:47,193 --> 01:04:49,713 was a fella named Ernst Steinhoff. 1219 01:04:49,747 --> 01:04:54,752 So it was extra temporal according to Ernst Steinhoff. 1220 01:04:55,684 --> 01:04:58,722 Well, I know they can't get here from there 1221 01:04:58,756 --> 01:05:03,589 because it's the space time continuum in the universe, 1222 01:05:03,623 --> 01:05:04,866 it's too great. 1223 01:05:04,901 --> 01:05:09,491 But they had to compress the space time continuum 1224 01:05:09,526 --> 01:05:12,149 to maybe jump from one to the other, 1225 01:05:12,184 --> 01:05:15,118 without having to spend a thousand years to get here. 1226 01:05:15,152 --> 01:05:17,637 This Navy commander, who's name was George Hoover, 1227 01:05:17,672 --> 01:05:21,227 he was on Wernher von Braun's, 1228 01:05:22,194 --> 01:05:26,336 he was in his group studying UFOs and Roswell 1229 01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:27,647 and things like that. 1230 01:05:28,786 --> 01:05:30,788 Well, you know, Roswell was a crash 1231 01:05:32,204 --> 01:05:35,345 of a ship from somewhere else. 1232 01:05:35,379 --> 01:05:38,175 Oh, you know, you figure, "Oh, well, Alpha Centauri, 1233 01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:40,626 what, you know, where are you talking about?" 1234 01:05:40,660 --> 01:05:45,665 He says, "No, no, no, it was not extraterrestrial, 1235 01:05:46,770 --> 01:05:49,635 it was extratemporal, time travelers." 1236 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,574 [planet exploding] 1237 01:05:57,608 --> 01:06:00,473 [gentle music] 1238 01:06:18,422 --> 01:06:20,217 - So when you look at the UFO phenomenon 1239 01:06:20,252 --> 01:06:21,770 and we wonder there's some explanations 1240 01:06:21,805 --> 01:06:23,186 of why they might be here, 1241 01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:25,498 and some hypothesis that people have made. 1242 01:06:25,533 --> 01:06:28,501 Now, when you look at it here on earth as humans, 1243 01:06:28,536 --> 01:06:33,541 we tag cows, we look at different biological specimens 1244 01:06:34,266 --> 01:06:36,475 under the microscope and we log them, 1245 01:06:36,509 --> 01:06:38,442 we figure out what's going on, we've run tests on them. 1246 01:06:38,477 --> 01:06:40,203 We do this kind of stuff with animals 1247 01:06:40,237 --> 01:06:41,445 so we can learn from it. 1248 01:06:42,412 --> 01:06:44,586 We've had aspect in thinking of the fact that 1249 01:06:44,621 --> 01:06:46,933 it's a big possibility that 1250 01:06:46,968 --> 01:06:48,970 that's what they're here to do with us. 1251 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:50,903 So just like we treat cattle 1252 01:06:50,937 --> 01:06:53,526 and we tag them on their ear with a number, 1253 01:06:53,561 --> 01:06:56,495 they kept here to be here doing the same exact thing. 1254 01:06:56,529 --> 01:06:58,635 What do you think that implant is in somebody's body, 1255 01:06:58,669 --> 01:07:00,947 after they've had an experience with the UFO? 1256 01:07:02,259 --> 01:07:03,916 That's the same thing that we're doing. 1257 01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:05,952 And that's what a lot of people think here. 1258 01:07:05,987 --> 01:07:09,266 I mean, this is a big possibility of what's happening here 1259 01:07:09,301 --> 01:07:11,855 because it's not only people being abducted 1260 01:07:11,889 --> 01:07:14,651 in say yours or my generation, 1261 01:07:14,685 --> 01:07:17,861 this goes on generational, this is a generational thing. 1262 01:07:17,895 --> 01:07:21,037 I've talked to people that have had cousins 1263 01:07:21,071 --> 01:07:23,487 and brothers and grandmothers 1264 01:07:23,522 --> 01:07:25,593 and their fathers have had experiences. 1265 01:07:25,627 --> 01:07:27,491 And it runs in the family. 1266 01:07:27,526 --> 01:07:30,805 We also talk about Rh negative blood. 1267 01:07:30,839 --> 01:07:33,497 That is a bloodline that has just popped up 1268 01:07:33,532 --> 01:07:35,396 out of nowhere within science. 1269 01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:36,638 We have no idea, it's the only one, 1270 01:07:36,673 --> 01:07:39,020 we have no idea where it came from in life. 1271 01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:42,610 It just appeared one time and it's been here ever since. 1272 01:07:43,576 --> 01:07:45,578 And we try to think maybe is it a possibility 1273 01:07:45,613 --> 01:07:47,546 that we have hybrids here? 1274 01:07:47,580 --> 01:07:50,411 Are these the people that are being taken, 1275 01:07:50,445 --> 01:07:51,584 that are having these experiences? 1276 01:07:51,619 --> 01:07:53,069 It's a great possibility. 1277 01:07:53,103 --> 01:07:56,037 So don't just look into the one little aspect of it, 1278 01:07:56,072 --> 01:07:58,729 look at it all, get the bigger picture, take it in 1279 01:07:58,764 --> 01:08:01,042 and understand what you're looking at. 1280 01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:02,561 Then you can be intelligent enough 1281 01:08:02,595 --> 01:08:04,010 to go and have a conversation with somebody, 1282 01:08:04,045 --> 01:08:05,495 to learn from somebody else 1283 01:08:05,529 --> 01:08:07,393 and actually know what you're talking about. 1284 01:08:07,428 --> 01:08:08,636 Don't take the short way up 1285 01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:10,638 because it's good to have this information 1286 01:08:10,672 --> 01:08:12,053 and know what's going on. 1287 01:08:12,088 --> 01:08:13,365 'Cause it's happening. 1288 01:08:13,399 --> 01:08:14,400 The government wouldn't be involved, 1289 01:08:14,435 --> 01:08:15,746 like I said many times before, 1290 01:08:15,781 --> 01:08:17,679 if it wasn't a real phenomenon. 1291 01:08:25,618 --> 01:08:27,517 - And I think for the skeptics out there 1292 01:08:27,551 --> 01:08:31,659 that are saying, "Oh, you know, we need definitive proof." 1293 01:08:31,693 --> 01:08:33,385 I think the proof is there. 1294 01:08:33,419 --> 01:08:36,560 Look at the amount of video that these people are getting. 1295 01:08:36,595 --> 01:08:39,391 Yeah, there's a number that could be faked, 1296 01:08:39,425 --> 01:08:41,703 but there's a lot of really, 1297 01:08:41,738 --> 01:08:43,705 really compelling evidence there. 1298 01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:47,053 Listen to people's stories, look at their body movements. 1299 01:08:47,088 --> 01:08:49,401 Look at the way they're emotionally 1300 01:08:49,435 --> 01:08:52,369 talking about these events that happened in their life, 1301 01:08:52,404 --> 01:08:53,922 that they can't explain. 1302 01:08:53,957 --> 01:08:58,513 You can't fake that kind of like, that human emotion there. 1303 01:08:58,548 --> 01:08:59,928 So when I hear skeptics say, 1304 01:08:59,963 --> 01:09:02,448 "Well, you know, there's no such thing as UFOs, 1305 01:09:02,483 --> 01:09:04,416 there's no such thing as Bigfoot." 1306 01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:07,660 Sorry, we've had evidence, we've seen it. 1307 01:09:07,695 --> 01:09:09,662 I've had experiences myself. 1308 01:09:09,697 --> 01:09:12,631 People that are high up in society, 1309 01:09:12,665 --> 01:09:15,599 that are classy, good people, 1310 01:09:15,634 --> 01:09:18,706 they had these experiences that they can't explain. 1311 01:09:18,740 --> 01:09:23,435 And so to the skeptics I say, you know, 1312 01:09:23,469 --> 01:09:26,369 really look at the proof, look, there is proof there. 1313 01:09:26,403 --> 01:09:27,715 You just have to dig deep. 1314 01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:30,580 I was on the fence with the belief 1315 01:09:30,614 --> 01:09:31,788 that people were getting abducted. 1316 01:09:31,822 --> 01:09:35,619 Like the few people that I really truly believe 1317 01:09:35,654 --> 01:09:38,346 that were abducted, and I've interviewed them too, 1318 01:09:39,451 --> 01:09:42,454 incredible, was well, Kathleen Marden, 1319 01:09:42,488 --> 01:09:45,629 whose aunt was Betty Hill. 1320 01:09:45,664 --> 01:09:46,699 Betty and Barney Hill. 1321 01:09:46,734 --> 01:09:47,942 I really truly believe 1322 01:09:47,976 --> 01:09:50,427 that they seriously had that abduction 1323 01:09:50,462 --> 01:09:51,980 that happened to them. 1324 01:09:52,015 --> 01:09:55,398 Another gentleman that I talked to Calvin Parker, 1325 01:09:55,432 --> 01:09:59,712 he was the Pascagoula UFO encounter in 1973, 1326 01:09:59,747 --> 01:10:03,406 where him and Charlie Hickson were abducted 1327 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:04,786 and taken aboard of UFO. 1328 01:10:04,821 --> 01:10:06,685 And they were also examined. 1329 01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:10,654 And the aliens that came out there did not look like grays, 1330 01:10:10,689 --> 01:10:12,484 they looked like robots. 1331 01:10:12,518 --> 01:10:14,934 And very, very strange account. 1332 01:10:14,969 --> 01:10:18,800 And Calvin is the most down-to-earth guy 1333 01:10:18,835 --> 01:10:23,840 and has not wavered from the story since 1973. 1334 01:10:24,634 --> 01:10:26,222 [gentle upbeat music] 1335 01:10:26,256 --> 01:10:30,674 - I found it very interesting that Avril Haines, 1336 01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:32,642 the director of National Intelligence, 1337 01:10:32,676 --> 01:10:35,645 the head of the entire intelligence community 1338 01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:38,855 and the NASA administrator, Bill Nelson, 1339 01:10:38,889 --> 01:10:42,962 appeared together at The National Cathedral, 1340 01:10:42,997 --> 01:10:46,034 when were discussing our future in space. 1341 01:10:46,069 --> 01:10:50,522 And they made some very telling revelations. 1342 01:10:50,556 --> 01:10:53,801 For example, was the first time in my memory, 1343 01:10:53,835 --> 01:10:57,598 where a sitting head of the intelligence community 1344 01:10:57,632 --> 01:11:01,912 of the United States spoke the word extraterrestrially 1345 01:11:01,947 --> 01:11:04,881 in the context of these UAP craft. 1346 01:11:05,675 --> 01:11:08,988 I believe that's an important step forward 1347 01:11:09,023 --> 01:11:13,855 of building a bridge to actually revealing to the world 1348 01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:18,791 and to the US citizen, exactly what happened at Roswell, 1349 01:11:19,965 --> 01:11:22,795 what's happening now over our skies. 1350 01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:26,834 So I have high hopes about the coming years 1351 01:11:26,868 --> 01:11:30,734 as we approach the 75th anniversary of Roswell, 1352 01:11:30,769 --> 01:11:32,771 that the government will finally come clean 1353 01:11:32,805 --> 01:11:37,189 as to what exactly is this phenomenon all about. 1354 01:11:37,223 --> 01:11:39,778 Who are flying the craft? 1355 01:11:39,812 --> 01:11:41,573 Where do they come from? 1356 01:11:41,607 --> 01:11:45,887 Are they part of our hidden past, that we've forgotten? 1357 01:11:45,922 --> 01:11:50,927 Can they then correlated to, for example, religious texts 1358 01:11:52,618 --> 01:11:55,069 that describe a creation story 1359 01:11:55,103 --> 01:11:59,245 where god or gods, were able to create humans, 1360 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,937 made in their image? 1361 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:06,770 I have high hopes that 2022 will be the year 1362 01:12:06,805 --> 01:12:10,153 where we start making that first step 1363 01:12:10,187 --> 01:12:12,776 toward revealing the actual truth. 1364 01:12:12,811 --> 01:12:15,572 - And one of the last things I want to discuss 1365 01:12:15,607 --> 01:12:18,920 is disclosure, the disclosure. 1366 01:12:18,955 --> 01:12:21,578 The question is, will we ever know? 1367 01:12:21,613 --> 01:12:26,618 Will the government ever tell everything they know 1368 01:12:27,308 --> 01:12:28,067 about the subject of UFOs? 1369 01:12:29,241 --> 01:12:33,176 My answer to that is, absolutely not. 1370 01:12:33,210 --> 01:12:38,077 There's no way that we, as a society, 1371 01:12:38,112 --> 01:12:40,597 will be told everything 1372 01:12:40,632 --> 01:12:44,981 the government knows or known since 1947. 1373 01:12:45,015 --> 01:12:49,917 There's numerous reasons why 1374 01:12:49,951 --> 01:12:52,782 the government can't tell the truth. 1375 01:12:52,816 --> 01:12:54,956 Number one, research and development. 1376 01:12:54,991 --> 01:12:56,717 They're never gonna tell us everything they know 1377 01:12:56,751 --> 01:12:58,166 about what they've learned. 1378 01:12:58,201 --> 01:13:03,206 Number two, about alien technology, human hybrids, 1379 01:13:04,034 --> 01:13:08,245 has the ETs manipulated the human DNA? 1380 01:13:09,626 --> 01:13:11,628 They're not gonna talk about that. 1381 01:13:11,663 --> 01:13:13,872 Now, will they say, "Yeah, we might be visited 1382 01:13:13,906 --> 01:13:18,808 or what these objects you're seeing is not terrestrial." 1383 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,775 Maybe. 1384 01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:23,778 Nut that generates more questions than answers. 1385 01:13:23,813 --> 01:13:27,161 So my personal belief, and I know I'm contrary 1386 01:13:27,195 --> 01:13:29,853 to some other people like Lue Elizondo, 1387 01:13:29,888 --> 01:13:33,132 is that, no, I don't think we'll ever get full disclosure. 1388 01:13:36,929 --> 01:13:41,934 - This fellow from Harvard Avi Loeb, two years ago, 1389 01:13:42,659 --> 01:13:44,834 there was a, I thought it was an asteroid 1390 01:13:44,868 --> 01:13:46,939 passing through the solar system, 1391 01:13:46,974 --> 01:13:50,874 but he thought it was a spaceship of some sort, 1392 01:13:53,843 --> 01:13:56,259 which I would, you know, say put outta my mind, 1393 01:13:56,293 --> 01:13:58,330 except he's from Harvard. 1394 01:13:58,364 --> 01:13:59,952 He a Harvard physicist. 1395 01:13:59,987 --> 01:14:01,989 And he came up with a theory 1396 01:14:02,023 --> 01:14:07,028 that it was a long trajectory probe of some sort. 1397 01:14:08,098 --> 01:14:13,138 So he's created a project called the Galileo Project 1398 01:14:13,828 --> 01:14:16,797 and they're launching another, 1399 01:14:16,831 --> 01:14:21,111 the Webb telescope is been launched again. 1400 01:14:21,146 --> 01:14:24,390 They're getting an unfettered view of the universe. 1401 01:14:26,013 --> 01:14:30,051 So they will be able to see the chemical elements 1402 01:14:30,086 --> 01:14:32,709 of stars and planets and things like that. 1403 01:14:32,744 --> 01:14:34,987 Plus everything is clearer 1404 01:14:35,022 --> 01:14:37,852 than what you get from a telescope down on the earth. 1405 01:14:39,958 --> 01:14:43,168 Because they're coming up with more Earth-like planets, 1406 01:14:43,202 --> 01:14:45,377 every month, they come up with another one. 1407 01:14:45,411 --> 01:14:48,000 I forget what the total is now, 1408 01:14:48,035 --> 01:14:52,349 but this one star, 41 light years away, has seven of them, 1409 01:14:52,384 --> 01:14:54,075 seven Earth-like planets. 1410 01:14:55,767 --> 01:14:58,355 And the universe there has to be, 1411 01:14:58,390 --> 01:15:01,255 as Carl Sagan would say, 1412 01:15:01,289 --> 01:15:05,017 "Billions and billions of Earth-like planets." 1413 01:15:05,052 --> 01:15:09,021 And that's, according to scientists, 1414 01:15:09,056 --> 01:15:12,197 you have to have an Earth-like planet with water 1415 01:15:12,231 --> 01:15:13,957 to have life. 1416 01:15:13,992 --> 01:15:16,995 I expect some startling announcement 1417 01:15:17,029 --> 01:15:19,998 within the next five years along those lines. 1418 01:15:20,032 --> 01:15:23,001 Not just, "Oh, there's so many Earth-like planets." 1419 01:15:23,035 --> 01:15:28,040 I expect a little more definition to come within five years. 1420 01:15:29,835 --> 01:15:34,012 Certainly a report from the government soon 1421 01:15:34,046 --> 01:15:36,083 about what they are collecting 1422 01:15:36,117 --> 01:15:41,122 and that what everybody suspects the UAPs really are. 1423 01:15:42,123 --> 01:15:45,126 - 200 years ago, would you people would think 1424 01:15:45,161 --> 01:15:48,026 that we could actually see on a box, 1425 01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:51,408 we could see other people on this box in our living room 1426 01:15:51,443 --> 01:15:55,102 or talk to people from vast distances around the globe, 1427 01:15:55,136 --> 01:15:58,830 on our phones, or, you know, or through a telephone. 1428 01:15:58,864 --> 01:16:00,763 That would've been absolute like, you know, 1429 01:16:00,797 --> 01:16:01,971 would've been witchcraft, you know, 1430 01:16:02,005 --> 01:16:06,044 it would've been like out of the realm of people's thinking. 1431 01:16:07,217 --> 01:16:09,806 But look at where we are today, look at the technology. 1432 01:16:09,841 --> 01:16:11,497 So keeping an open mind, I think, 1433 01:16:11,532 --> 01:16:16,019 is really, really important to everything that we talk about 1434 01:16:16,054 --> 01:16:17,952 in the paranormal world. 1435 01:16:17,987 --> 01:16:19,471 'Cause I always say 1436 01:16:19,505 --> 01:16:22,370 that there's always a bit of truth to the folklore. 1437 01:16:23,233 --> 01:16:24,131 Keep an open mind. 1438 01:16:24,165 --> 01:16:25,822 [gentle music] 1439 01:16:25,857 --> 01:16:26,961 - We hear people all the time when they report cases say, 1440 01:16:26,996 --> 01:16:29,999 "I think I'm going crazy, I think I'm losing my mind." 1441 01:16:30,033 --> 01:16:31,138 You know what I mean? 1442 01:16:31,172 --> 01:16:33,002 "But I saw this and I had to report it to somebody." 1443 01:16:33,036 --> 01:16:34,520 And we tell 'em all the time, 1444 01:16:34,555 --> 01:16:37,144 listen, it happens all the time, you know what I mean? 1445 01:16:37,178 --> 01:16:38,283 People see things all the time. 1446 01:16:38,317 --> 01:16:41,804 And most things can be explained, don't get me wrong. 1447 01:16:41,838 --> 01:16:43,322 We have a statistics, 1448 01:16:43,357 --> 01:16:46,429 it's about 94% of things can be explained 1449 01:16:46,463 --> 01:16:49,121 and there's 6% that cannot be explained. 1450 01:16:49,156 --> 01:16:52,400 And that 6% is what makes the phenomenon real. 1451 01:16:52,435 --> 01:16:54,092 People always say, "Well, how do we know this is real 1452 01:16:54,126 --> 01:16:56,404 and not just the government technology?" 1453 01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,061 Well, let's look at it this way, 1454 01:16:58,096 --> 01:16:59,960 if you look at the millions and millions of cases 1455 01:16:59,994 --> 01:17:03,066 that have been reported to MUFON and other organizations, 1456 01:17:03,101 --> 01:17:05,828 all it takes is one of them to be real 1457 01:17:05,862 --> 01:17:08,209 for this phenomenon to be a true thing. 1458 01:17:08,244 --> 01:17:10,487 So that's how we have to look at it on the scale. 1459 01:17:10,522 --> 01:17:12,628 And then if you really know your astronomy 1460 01:17:12,662 --> 01:17:15,182 and you know how big the universe is 1461 01:17:15,216 --> 01:17:17,149 and how big the galaxy is, 1462 01:17:17,184 --> 01:17:20,256 you'll realize that we're just a small spec 1463 01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:21,844 in a huge, huge ocean. 1464 01:17:21,878 --> 01:17:26,193 - So I expect something definitive, something startling, 1465 01:17:26,227 --> 01:17:31,232 something solid to come from the telescopes 1466 01:17:31,992 --> 01:17:34,235 and the science that's behind it. 1467 01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:38,964 And hopeful that the government in their projects now 1468 01:17:38,999 --> 01:17:41,139 that the they're known around the world, 1469 01:17:41,173 --> 01:17:42,588 they can't hide them anymore. 1470 01:17:42,623 --> 01:17:46,006 They have to come out with something solid 1471 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,215 and not couched in words 1472 01:17:48,249 --> 01:17:52,219 that just turn out to be gobbledygook 1473 01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:53,669 to keep the cover up going. 1474 01:17:53,703 --> 01:17:57,189 That's what I'm hoping for is some transparency 1475 01:17:57,224 --> 01:17:59,019 because the world is ready for it, 1476 01:17:59,053 --> 01:18:00,468 the world is ready for it. 1477 01:18:00,503 --> 01:18:03,057 You don't know what the future's going to hold. 1478 01:18:05,301 --> 01:18:07,096 Try those open doors. 1479 01:18:08,062 --> 01:18:10,651 - I firmly believe not in the need to know. 1480 01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:14,517 I think the need to know is outdated, it's outmoded. 1481 01:18:14,551 --> 01:18:17,175 I believe in the need to share. 1482 01:18:17,209 --> 01:18:19,591 - There's so many skeptics. 1483 01:18:19,625 --> 01:18:23,250 There's so many people that are backstabbers 1484 01:18:23,284 --> 01:18:28,048 against legitimate researchers within the UFO community 1485 01:18:28,082 --> 01:18:33,087 that the skeptics are everywhere. 1486 01:18:33,950 --> 01:18:36,021 And so I always say this, 1487 01:18:36,056 --> 01:18:39,300 we have to ask the right questions. 1488 01:18:39,335 --> 01:18:44,236 If we ask the right questions that generates thought. 1489 01:18:44,271 --> 01:18:47,550 And thinking by smart people 1490 01:18:47,584 --> 01:18:50,277 will sometimes answer those questions 1491 01:18:50,311 --> 01:18:53,936 without us having to go through a FOIA request, 1492 01:18:53,970 --> 01:18:56,524 which we know that the government's not gonna give 1493 01:18:56,559 --> 01:18:58,561 if they don't wanna give. 1494 01:18:58,595 --> 01:19:01,357 So one of the things that you have to do, 1495 01:19:01,391 --> 01:19:06,155 even if you're just beginning in this subject area of UFOs, 1496 01:19:06,189 --> 01:19:09,468 is ask the questions, ask the right questions, 1497 01:19:09,503 --> 01:19:11,712 do the right research 1498 01:19:11,747 --> 01:19:13,541 and you might get the right answers. 1499 01:19:24,104 --> 01:19:27,279 [gentle upbeat music] 1500 01:20:55,471 --> 01:20:58,336 [typewriter keys clacking] 1501 01:20:58,370 --> 01:21:00,821 [gentle music]